From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id iCNOOFfcyl65SwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:43:03 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id noEjNFfcyl62GgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:43:03 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB7E39403EC for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 20:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34604 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxSX-0006WD-IB for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:43:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43568) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxSP-0006Vq-Ny for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:42:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37373) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxSP-0003PW-En; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:42:53 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=54884 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxSO-00084A-Un; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:42:53 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Josh Marshall Subject: Re: Propose to distribute a user-only install script, not admin required References: X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 6 Prairial an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:42:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Josh Marshall's message of "Sat, 16 May 2020 11:25:08 -0400") Message-ID: <877dx112us.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-TUID: oUIT7iHPBOWt Hi Josh, Josh Marshall skribis: > One thing which I think could significantly aid adoption would be up > either add an option or add a new installer script with guix > configured to install and run purely out of the user's home directory > without any special permissions. Conceptually, guix shouldn't need to > have any elevated permissions given it is acceptable to use resources > less efficiently when they are in contention. This would also allow > guix to be a drop in replacement to tools which already allow > individual users to install and use them without a hassle, like > Anaconda. I think we should consider providing a binary tarball produced with =E2=80=98guix pack -RR=E2=80=99 instead of just =E2=80=98guix pack=E2=80=99= . It=E2=80=99s possible to run =E2=80=9Crootless=E2=80=9D Guix from there: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-05/msg00139.html With minor changes to the daemon, we could arrange so that users don=E2=80= =99t have to fiddle with environment variables or anything. Now, I fear that the typical use case for that is places where user namespaces aren=E2=80=99t available, which means a degraded experience. (S= ee the rant at the bottom of .) Thoughts? Ludo=E2=80=99.