From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:c151::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id 8BNMCuBCUmC6PgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:56:48 +0000 Received: from aspmx2.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:c151::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id GAUZBuBCUmCWSAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:56:48 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx2.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD5D720699 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57310 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMaPX-0006Dn-0m for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:56:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMa4s-0003KU-MA for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:35:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40179) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMa4s-0004wM-2J; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:35:26 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=48626 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMa4o-0004Oo-VA; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:35:24 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=A9o?= Le Bouter Subject: Re: Fedora/Debian release monitoring inspiration for Guix Data Service References: X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 27 =?utf-8?Q?Vent=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:35:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22L=C3=A9o?= Le Bouter"'s message of "Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:57:20 +0100") Message-ID: <877dm51y5i.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616003807; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=A38tLBAfffG18TGzt/Max3NZaS1gBAprjdPXcNpzNXU=; b=pn60KyIes8Wpg1svt/MxVCJ7Stmf1f5m1n3UYnUB11RhTyYuDmlGTdaLVL/rl9kki6XPj3 +0PX5JiKmtav/JPbEPhXt1OcM6VMpbZUE3A7o2I+KVu2X8eKUgdVF3kBKE5wyg4yjA8nI2 6PLxQ2zBp4bbs3i/xXk8RB1aZRAZrZiyP6CEao6wvrVvpXi3uVImbViyfL+SfpmoZDAkzf H3fk19+7mc4MGeMczMmTM/th04YU+G4jtE76mjfmViVCVz+m3aPK8AV/JSGtRAZ775g5f2 8xxNCb6+w+LJr6zoiiQvXk0W6bsfaMPQSPWD8qSYGrWnucf53Yb7DjJgGo/P6A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616003807; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Fnz7wKWbsbfP9mGoTVQZN/dEbapry6fjdCmfVCgsDPX9NjZUDR1J9bcHE3wjh4Bi37W6vz Gu3t7W3Rox9nitafXuNeas1/+qcuuCAJEpywFgzD6IlTmEUpLqk7YEqejjAW4fgzGc1lxQ QAT2W/njaU7ldPY+Cu55BOxyD8NYfEXiPV0yOdqthagZWzxmjXnfK5xl2+rJtA/YOBvjB2 4AW+oiXlRqoq//kYentRuktBeZOVQ4849QcfNSKnIFcO8vH4ggeBi2xQmRfB+lcWdRq3B1 /jcgH12fv+V6DovRuzxCrvKMuddu1td1AsFnnDeuCY7o60LcZCpahbUA7qsAAA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.90 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CD5D720699 X-Spam-Score: -2.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 3f0sENSi+a03 Hi, L=C3=A9o Le Bouter skribis: > It seems Fedora has automated infrastructure and feeds to monitor new > upstream releases so that maintainers can get notifications on them. > > https://release-monitoring.org/ Established distros have great tools and services for that. Guix has =E2=80=98guix refresh=E2=80=99, which predates some of the trendy = release/CVE monitoring services and actually works well. It=E2=80=99s not perfect, but= it=E2=80=99s good, so my advice would be to work on improving it. If you look at Guix=E2=80=99s design and history, you=E2=80=99ll find that = much is built in a way that avoids relying on external services when we can. > We could even go as far as preparing a patch (similar to guix refresh > -u && etc/committer.scm) and trying to build it and all it's > dependents and if it doesnt cause any new failures we could send an > automated patch contribution on guix-patches directly and tag it with > "ci-update-ok" or something so a maintainer just has to double-check > quickly and push (very efficient workflow).=20 I definitely agree. We could build upon the infrastructure we already have to write a tool that roughly runs =E2=80=98guix refresh -u=E2=80=99 on= individual packages, attempts to build it and its dependents, and publishes a ready-to-apply patch=E2=80=94or a failure notification. Whether it=E2=80=99s a task for the Guix Data Service or some other service= , I don=E2=80=99t know, but it would be most welcome! Ludo=E2=80=99.