From: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
"Richard Sent" <richard@freakingpenguin.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changing the defaults for --localstatedir and --sysconfdir?
Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 22:07:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877cg51j4d.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sez0zizk.fsf@gnu.org>
Hi,
On jeu., 02 mai 2024 at 11:00, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> Richard Sent <richard@freakingpenguin.com> skribis:
>
>> As everyone who's built Guix from source knows, when running ./configure
>> on a system with an existing Guix installation you must remember to
>> specify --localstatedir=/var and --sysconfdir=/etc. I think we should
>> consider whether those variables should default to those values.
>
> I think it would make sense.
I have always been for changing the defaults but GNU standards…
> Before I advocated that we should preferably stick to the GNU standards
> and have users make informed choices (that’s how we ended up with the
> ‘GUIX_CHECK_LOCALSTATEDIR’ macro that warns users but lets them
> explicitly pass ‘--localstatedir’.)
…and I have never understood this argument. :-)
Well, these GNU Standards read:
‘sysconfdir’
[...]
This directory should normally be /usr/local/etc, but write it as
$(prefix)/etc. (If you are using Autoconf, write it as
‘@sysconfdir@’.)
‘localstatedir’
[...]
$(localstatedir) should normally be /usr/local/var, but write it
as $(prefix)/var. (If you are using Autoconf, write it as
‘@localstatedir@’.)
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Directory-Variables
As Ricardo pointed, it could be confusing to have some defaults as GNU
Standards recommend and only 2 different. Especially, $(prefix) might
appear elsewhere as recommendation: ’exec_prefix’ so then ’bindir’,
’sbindir’ etc., ‘datarootdir’ so ’datadir’, ‘sharedstatedir’,
‘includedir’, etc.
Therefore, setting also by default ’prefix’ as /. would mean ’bindir’
equals to /bin. That’s fine… we need to adjust accordingly
guix-install.sh, to my knowledge.
Well, this ’prefix’ default matters only in one case: other distro
packaging Guix, right?
And I guess these distro do not run “make install” with the default GNU
Standards ’prefix’ recommendation (/usr/local/bin/) and modifies it to
/usr/, I guess.
On foreign distro:
$ ls -a /usr/local/bin/
. .. guix
This ’guix’ comes from guix-install.sh.
All in all, the surprise when defaulting ’prefix’, ’localstatedir’ and
’sysconfdir’ should be very limited, no?
Cheers,
simon
prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-07 20:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-01 20:49 Changing the defaults for --localstatedir and --sysconfdir? Richard Sent
2024-05-02 9:00 ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-05-02 9:11 ` Attila Lendvai
2024-05-02 23:23 ` Romain
2024-05-02 11:31 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2024-05-02 18:14 ` Vagrant Cascadian via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-05-02 12:58 ` Andreas Enge
2024-05-02 16:37 ` Efraim Flashner
2024-05-06 10:06 ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-05-02 16:35 ` Efraim Flashner
2024-06-07 12:54 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-06-09 0:58 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2024-05-03 10:10 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-05-06 10:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-05-07 20:07 ` Simon Tournier [this message]
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