From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@mdc-berlin.de>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Down with PYTHONPATH!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 23:29:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <875zp7j1p1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87muikr3bq.fsf@mdc-berlin.de> (Ricardo Wurmus's message of "Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:14:33 +0200")
Hello!
Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@mdc-berlin.de> skribis:
> here’s a half-baked idea that I think is worth considering: let’s patch
> our Python package to respect GUIX_PYTHONPATH and use GUIX_PYTHONPATH in
> our wrappers.
Oh!
[...]
> So I propose to avoid using PYTHONPATH, which is similarly dangerous as
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH in that it causes incompatible libraries to be loaded.
> Switching to GUIX_PYTHONPATH is not going to be a complete solution
> (because it doesn’t distinguish between different versions of Python),
> but at the very least it will separate Python applications that use Guix
> from Python applications that don’t. Right now this is not the case and
> people who use Guix for some things but not for others have a really bad
> time and learn to avoid Guix because it sets PYTHONPATH, which breaks
> their other applications.
The reasoning makes sense to me… but wouldn’t it extend to most of the
*PATH variables? After all, PERL5LIB or even GUILE_LOAD_PATH could lead
to similar issues, no?
AIUI, the problem is more acute in Python because of pip, and because
people are likely to use both pip and Guix, right?
> If we’re feeling lucky we could even introduce GUIX_PYTHON2_PATH and
> GUIX_PYTHON3_PATH to solve the other half of the problem, namely that
> Python 2 applications will load Python 3 libraries (and vice versa).
My gut reaction is that this is a problem for upstream to solve
(GUILE_LOAD_PATH has the same problem, and AFAICS most PATH variables
are unversioned), but OTOH we’re at the forefront here because we can
usefully mix Python 2 and Python 3 things in an environment.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-06-14 21:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-14 8:14 Down with PYTHONPATH! Ricardo Wurmus
2019-06-14 10:12 ` ng0
2019-06-14 21:29 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2019-06-15 7:44 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-06-15 9:15 ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-06-17 9:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-06-17 10:20 ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-06-17 15:48 ` Pjotr Prins
2019-06-18 15:46 ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-06-19 11:25 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-06-17 12:17 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-06-15 13:35 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-06-15 14:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-06-17 9:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-06-17 18:34 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-06-18 8:28 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-07-06 10:45 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-07-06 16:31 ` Pjotr Prins
2019-07-18 8:20 ` Ricardo Wurmus
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