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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: David Craven <david@craven.ch>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:39:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874lz0err8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1_im=HeYi43uzAD=HUJen5cJM3FfXwHn8U3uTWABMXiJ5YWQ@mail.gmail.com> (David Craven's message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:20:05 +0100")

Hello David,

Thanks for providing feedback.

You make it sound like GuixSD is unusable on real hardware due to the
lack of proprietary firmware, but reality is different.  I think this
section I wrote a while back pretty accurately reflects the situation:

  https://gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Hardware-Considerations.html

On many laptops WiFi doesn’t work out of the box because they come with
Intel WiFi chips and Intel denies its customers the 4 freedoms,
security, and privacy.  Lack of WiFi is an important issue of course,
but it’s easily worked around and it’s pretty much the only issue.

Perhaps you take hardware support in GNU/Linux for granted.  When I
started using GNU/Linux, things like sound support or graphics mode
support or webcams would often be missing—things were a lot more
difficult in practice.  It’s the dedicated work of volunteers that
brought us drivers for all this.

I don’t feel any pressure to give in proprietary software for the extra
1% convenience it’d bring me.

Now, as others pointed out, GuixSD doesn’t prevent you from running the
software you want.  As you know, GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH serves this purpose:
you can easily extend the distro and tweak it to your needs.

One last thing: please don’t describe political struggles as “religion.”
It’s unnecessarily offensive, especially when talking to an atheist.

Happy hacking, and consider using ‘guix environment’ to ease your new
hacking life!  :-)

Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-10 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16  0:14 Leaving the guix project David Craven
2017-02-16  1:40 ` Leo Famulari
2017-02-16  8:24 ` Alex Kost
2017-02-16  8:38 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-16  8:40 ` Hartmut Goebel
2017-02-16 11:35 ` Alex Vong
2017-02-16 13:17 ` Andy Wingo
2017-02-16 13:20   ` Andy Wingo
2017-02-17 12:56   ` David Craven
2017-02-17 13:48     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2017-02-17 14:05     ` John Darrington
2017-02-17 16:37     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-17 23:47       ` David Craven
2017-02-18  0:25         ` David Craven
2017-02-18 13:02           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-19 11:13             ` David Craven
2017-02-18 12:24         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-19 18:30     ` Alex Kost
2017-02-20  8:59       ` Tomas Cech
2017-02-20 13:25         ` John Darrington
2017-02-20 22:08           ` ng0
2017-02-21  1:51           ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-02-21 13:13             ` David Craven
2017-02-22  4:52               ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-02-22 13:54                 ` David Craven
2017-02-22 13:58                   ` John Darrington
2017-02-22 14:06                     ` David Craven
2017-02-22 14:14                       ` David Craven
2017-02-22 14:44                         ` Clément Lassieur
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2017-02-22 15:00                                           ` David Craven
2017-02-22 15:30                                             ` Pjotr Prins
2017-02-22 14:30                       ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-22 15:42                       ` Leo Famulari
2017-02-22 15:58                         ` Mathieu Lirzin
2017-02-22 17:14                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-21  8:31         ` Alex Kost
2017-02-21 10:26 ` Leaving the guix project (rust question) ng0
2017-02-21 17:40   ` Leaving the guix project Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-03-06  9:44 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-10 20:20   ` David Craven
2017-03-10 21:39     ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2017-03-11 11:57       ` ng0
2017-03-11  1:30     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
     [not found] <mailman.54233.1487782142.22739.guix-devel@gnu.org>
2017-02-22 17:29 ` Rodger Fox

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