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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Damien Zammit , bug-hurd@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1628943581; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=oK+v52AkY/1nTsuwMEVfq4unZoKTQim0hw1z0HGs8UE=; b=UMBpNvykAkmv5zGUX9Or2itma2wuVIQ8Q5cRCDKqp9TlAYaJHBavlrmRUA1Vpb/bMaJmBg B4oReocUsocVvf4ATwFrhnT3JSBHGqBySsILQGGg211icif/3YVYDzFVwfW5k7X1T0/V9u G4qOvXehzK7krwnWfHs4W8d5R9+6k0oIhfoBqOlYtG5MqkG5R9fWVPxuukUIy+aa2C62md l/dmPYtFfls4jmBjU0c57k3jmNUPmil2SlX2ANvLhdpkZkRCfLw4OvY5tGCPxyQrUGcjlT 7hzQVo426JTU8XvP6jwJy/ERtIeBrWjyyzwHd1yRVuhjTpe4dtnvB3bxsIJh0w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1628943581; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=r+TyAyL+jOnt/0KVTAYvO9StjtuTXX9DWoR4ZiJb0tsHjsyaJqB6WNAYPjQBDSInafcUkb Ee229fxNCMZ/1qk7imMd2lfI9kajiXprk7m15AKO1xKPq8Ao4F4BaZ5od5eok2ZhXakM6L VvLW4rjGLyvkajHIU3/ePNTqCmC+xExSQ7cd74n1mikgh42pKIoeHexulXJSAlsMBelwqS 6GWlQN48lNGFiM8PhpHm2dOmdtB9DrUmzlLmHztnYX9+3wQJrxALxitJAe3Gs7D4ygrs93 Da8xWIyz4tkvjHhraTFR97PdMsMuFljLcDxjREgVcVGigan3gY1FCncacJ0Muw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=CWdaX6oO; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=web.de (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.41 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=CWdaX6oO; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=web.de (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 734447007 X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: fa34jk0sFF+X --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Banck writes: > I don't mind that, but I also think the Hurd is not a tactical FSF asset > anymore that needs to be kept under tight control. The FSF has enough > copyright in the Hurd that it can enforce it whenever it likes, even if > other people's copyrighted code (as is already the case with the pfinet I wouldn=E2=80=99t be so sure about that. 1. Without copyright assignment of all code involved, enforcement becomes much harder. 2. The Hurt still provides capabilities other OS=E2=80=99es don=E2=80=99t = =E2=80=94 while maintaining POSIX compatibility. We=E2=80=99ve seen audacity basically being taken over by a company in the past months, so the danger of losing Hurd to proprietarization rather got bigger than smaller. 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