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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665389919; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=C8HU9gzmHBtyYb6PJe6ltueYyycmj9cuy/ROxY0Fz2w=; b=ZYbsrPfZ2nuHQLssRli06xzB2A4+0mmGBuoZxXQEWtEx0Ie81cv85GUCLvS1TNVCuah7Yn s1Ml6YidJeFLqCeRxRwwf+20AhX26CPcuyB6DWke3wEzvWfvdmecZ75EVemuMmJeoRTC7n ylIlc9UomwcR8LxvCL9Las5d9Sig3U3nvFGrxiARSOTgzi+3mHg5Xz5Ck2mjuPjaA1vV+s LfO7dW2/EZff3YK7dHX1ROW3hOOyhiyFdd5/wETFEkJGUzA5G8SzeJF1BpN1ZxJJFnmpqd lZaQsPw74Dr03nNnraHylRoEjLgZhCv6CTMVyn+D+3UFklclCiYjd8OqNg6FCQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665389919; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=J0nF5h8YhkYIEZQrU2UEzQp1mozIZk34sFgNk/Ybn/7rfeaoDXhZW5Z4uIU7uNVn2Ps0O9 h9jzGMJapdKacrsWysV+O4VpLSjG/dldhC+HaUkIPqQz2pd+znP7jUlHvGmvi5ID2GWVym VJM/JzKuW/TrOVndU7+vsETkCYulrxFxUbKd/A3ZcvhS/b9l6sFf3+ggj9PJSEqQgpchi0 jQ+nS6Mcnn4RsSJkE/f0kwTKDOjPPS4vD7TTuMhWnGy3fVDfgWzexk27pSP+RZqo3uj32W 2vOaZ08Ua4apMkqtkZ5aEzsDJE+yTQQ3cnADca281zaKssJ3W2YwHv1WqX0Bog== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=oXnPFMgq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.28 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=oXnPFMgq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 179C6A273 X-Spam-Score: -9.28 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 5kueznmyYUqY Efraim Flashner writes: > Firstly, I'd like to mention that we, in general, have a minimum system > requirement of 2GB of RAM, and IIRC there aren't a lot of armhf boards > out there which have that much. We do have a difference between building > natively and cross building / building with '--target'. This really needs to be lowered IMHO. 2GB being the minimum should be treated as a bug. > I'd like to comment on armhf for a moment. My memory is a but rusty, but > I'm pretty sure that in December of 2021 mesa was bumped from 21.2.x to > 21.3.x, and at that time it stopped building on/for armhf. I noticed in > May of 2022 (5 months later) and got the build working again. That we > went 5 months without anyone saying anything in bug reports that mesa > wasn't building shows that either everyone who is using it is using > software that doesn't use mesa, or we really don't have any armhf-linux > users. I'm not advocating dropping the architecture, but it does feel > like we're already at a best-effort level with it. As far as the pieces > needed for bootstrapping aarch64 software (go and probably others), > those get built anyway as needed by aarch64, so there's no worry about > losing support for those software bits. Personally I'm not using Guix on my armhf machines *because* armhf is buggy. I would certainly love to use it, but right now postmarketOS is sooo much better on armhf. It would be great to be in a position where I could submit bug reports from armhf but just doing it on i686 is already a challenge.