Re: Graphical Installer - Call for Testing.

[taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer)]

myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> writes:

> On 01/06/2017 at 21:50 John Darrington writes:
>
>>      3) install emacs?
>>
>> I would be reluctant to do that by default:
>>
>> Firstly it's a slippery slope.  The next person will say "No! install vi! or nano, or ....".
>>
>> Secondly, I think the intended way for Guix to be configured is to have 
>> the system profile relatively sparse.  Editors belong in the user
>> profiles.
>
> I have tried it both ways.  In practice the root user will want an
> editor to edit the config. So it seems illogical to me not to include an
> editor. The problem is that the editor will depend on the politics of
> the system admin ;=)
>
> In my case I want emacs, so I put emacs in my system configs.

There's a tiny emacs-like editor called mg.  In terms of size/features,
mg is to Emacs what vi is to Vim.

If you ask me, every headless server or similar system should come with
vi, mg, and nano; together they cover all bases and are all tiny so
installing them by default doesn't hurt.

Emacs, Vim, or another big editor can be installed at discretion of the
user.

The package 'nvi' provides classic vi under Guix.  Nano and mg are their
own packages.  Here's their closure sizes:

taylan@T420:~$ guix size mg
store item                                                       total    self
/gnu/store/kxdvx4ks927537z4ndzca39q0bal81rj-mg-20050429             66.9     0.2   0.2%
/gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7     5.7   8.6%
/gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0    22.7  34.0%
/gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3    36.8  55.1%
/gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4     1.4   2.1%
total: 66.9 MiB
taylan@T420:~$ guix size nvi
store item                                                       total    self
/gnu/store/bls7waxw1yfxgqzwbwa88r065hi45pvj-nvi-1.81.6              85.5     1.6   1.8%
/gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7     5.7   6.7%
/gnu/store/1pmfxq5amb2rngj1i6c6gi93sy0yrngx-bdb-6.2.23              65.8     4.8   5.6%
/gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0    22.7  26.6%
/gnu/store/qkw4zrwfybxww8f56nkb6hggxambk89b-bash-4.4.0              50.7     5.4   6.4%
/gnu/store/bm0gfw4jkw8gd0vpnnzrb6z0xncrbx3p-readline-7.0            45.3     1.3   1.5%
/gnu/store/hdrli1v7q3107w842s7di8rid82xlfvl-ncurses-6.0             44.0     5.7   6.7%
/gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3    36.8  43.1%
/gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4     1.4   1.7%
total: 85.5 MiB
taylan@T420:~$ guix size nano
store item                                                       total    self
/gnu/store/q76f7ncp6yvmpj2yfqy336iqbqajk9z0-nano-2.7.2              72.7     1.7   2.4%
/gnu/store/xydfiifs9slq0wv6n8j6p26icn2ihn88-ncurses-6.0             66.7     5.7   7.9%
/gnu/store/06icf5h4z83mw5g17a58fy26z14dsj9z-file-5.28               65.3     4.3   5.9%
/gnu/store/cdi08kw7r6r684w8mk0xq0dkgpjhfpmd-gcc-4.9.4-lib           61.0    22.7  31.3%
/gnu/store/iwgi9001dmmihrjg4rqhd6pa6788prjw-glibc-2.24              38.3    36.8  50.6%
/gnu/store/rvgmixpmsq5lqr9qflhkm70kg7a4rys2-bash-static-4.4.0        1.4     1.4   2.0%
total: 72.7 MiB
taylan@T420:~$

As you see, they don't depend on many (if any) libraries that aren't
very likely to be installed as dependencies of something else anyway,
and their own size adds up to a mere 3.5 MB.

Taylan