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[66.158.154.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p7-20020ad452c7000000b0066d20f29e5fsm1145736qvs.35.2023.11.17.20.31.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 20:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: John Kehayias , Guix Devel , guix-maintainers@gnu.org Subject: Re: Upgrading Guix's security team In-Reply-To: <8734x5ydzh.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22'?= =?utf-8?Q?s?= message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2023 15:22:42 +0100") References: <87cyxt9iwm.fsf@protonmail.com> <8734x5ydzh.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:31:41 -0500 Message-ID: <8734x3d6mq.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb31.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.40 X-Spam-Score: -9.40 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 969A645564 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: OdAt/JYCtJFp Hi, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: [...] > Yes, we definitely need a rotation here! I for one have my name there > but regardless of my interest, I have to admit that I=E2=80=99ve been una= ble to > be sufficiently responsive. It=E2=80=99s time to let new folks take > responsibility. > > I think we should make this a fixed-term position, to make it easier for > people to commit to actually being active when needed, with the > understanding that it=E2=80=99s not a commitment for life. > >> - currently we are not on the OS security distribution contact list: >> ; this >> had been discussed before but we will need commitment from people >> >> - clear roles will be helpful; to me this includes at least a couple >> of people to coordinate (the majority of security issues will be >> handled through package upgrades/grafts) and people to help review >> and/or contact needed experts, like for Guix internal issues; we >> should make this more precise > > We could distinguish security issues in packages provided by Guix from > security issues in Guix itself. > > That said, the security team could redirect things to members of the > =E2=80=9Ccore=E2=80=9D team for security issues in Guix itself; maybe we = don=E2=80=99t need to > formally separate the two. > >> - likewise, a clear fixed timeframe for who is on this team; keeping >> people fresh and engaged for what can suddenly be a time sensitive and >> critical job; I think this will also help spread institutional >> knowledge for better security practices in general > > +1! > >> - members need not be experts but should be active in the community as >> committers (already a round of vetting), familiar with what issues and >> processes may arise, and willing to learn; perhaps we need a list of >> experts to consult though the current teams are a good starting point > > +1 > >> - what are your thoughts? what are the goals and outcomes we as a >> distro want in security? >> >> - finally, I think an internal discussion with maintainers and long >> time active committers would be helpful to get the improvements >> started and moving, in addition to this wider discussion here >> >> And to get things started, I'm happy to volunteer myself to help >> coordinate on security, if deemed okay by our current security team, >> maintainers, and anyone else that's been helping to handle security. A >> coordinating role with a term of say 6 months to a year? Happy to >> provide more information and discuss here or privately; in short I'm >> not a security expert but have time and bandwidth to keep things >> moving and want to learn. > > Thank you for getting the ball moving! > > I=E2=80=99m all for having you on board and, to set an example, to leave = as you > join. > > If maintainers agree (Cc=E2=80=99d), I invite you to add your name and a > termination date to the security page, remove my name, and subscribe to > guix-security. We should add a term for other people on the team too. > > How does that sound? Sounds good to me! --=20 Thanks, Maxim