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[2a02:8429:6820:f501:f792:61e9:15bb:8b9e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-43656b3b214sm179651565e9.28.2024.12.23.09.58.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Dec 2024 09:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Tournier In-Reply-To: <87v7vmo9yg.fsf_-_@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:06:15 +0100") References: <09ff9f31af0575ba5223bf713f166101e79b8d99.1733614983.git.noelopez@free.fr> <875xno7oqg.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87ed2cn0oq.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7vmo9yg.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 18:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: <8734iee0y1.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 25C53812BD X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.80 X-Spam-Score: -3.80 X-TUID: 3/USIy+IoF1A Hi Ludo, I agree (more than less) with all the other comments except this one. :-) >>>> +** Decision making: consensus >>> >>> =E2=80=A6 and drop this. >> >> I think it makes more sense to have the Decision Making as RFC and then >> the manual refers to it, and not the converse. ;-) >> >> Therefore, I would keep the section here. And once we are done, letting >> the manual as-is, I would link to RFC. >> >> What defines the Decision Making *is* RFC and not the manual. ;-) > > Earlier, I wrote: > >> I would add =E2=80=9CGeneral day-to-day contributions follow the regular >> [decision-making process] and [team organization].=E2=80=9D, with refere= nces to >> the relevant sections of the manual. > > Since (1) day-to-day contributions do not follow the RFC process and (2) > teams and consensus-based decision making are already defined (and went > through peer review), I think it makes more sense to build on these two > sections we already have. I still think the RFC process must contain its own =E2=80=9CDecision Making= =E2=80=9D process and must not refer to external parts that could be changed without going via this RFC process. Somehow, from my point of view, it makes more sense to encode =E2=80=9CDeci= sion Making=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CCommit Access=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CTeams=E2=80= =9D via future RFCs than via sections in the manual. And we need to bootstrap the =E2=80=9CDecision Making=E2=80= =9D, no? For sure, I agree that we do not build from nothing. To me, this very first RFC makes explicit the structure we already have. Maybe I misunderstand something, IMHO, we should avoid the temptation to say: Hey we already have a way to collaborate thus let implicitly rely on. Hum? =F0=9F=A4=94 Somehow, I would find the RFC process incomplete without = an explicit self-contained =E2=80=9CDecision Making=E2=80=9D section. What do you think? What do people think? Cheers, simon