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From: Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Customizing /etc
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:11:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871tb7df6u.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a8pz7am8.fsf_-_@gnu.org

Ludovic Courtès (2015-11-27 17:58 +0300) wrote:

> Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> skribis:
[...]
>> I like the idea of separating /etc/environment and /etc/profile, but my
>> main concern is to have a possibility to change /etc files the way I
>> want, as I explained in the reply to Ludovic.
>
> I agree that specifying what goes into /etc is something we want to
> allow (though not directly related to the /etc/profile issue.)

Oof, that's a relief for me!  I had an impression that you are against
giving a user a full control over /etc files.

> What about exposing the name/file-like pairs that are passed to
> ‘etc-service’?  That way, one could write:
>
>   (define os
>     (operating-system
>       ;; …
>       (etc-files `(("hosts" ,(local-file "my-hosts-file"))
>                    ("issue" ,(plain-file "Hello!\n"))
>                    ("sudoers" ,(local-file "sudoers"))
>                    ("profile" ,(local-file "myprofile"))
>                    ,@(fold alist-delete
>                            (default-etc-files os)
>                            '("hosts" "issue" "sudoers" "profile"))))))

Yes, changing /etc files is exactly what I want!

> We may remove the ‘hosts-file’ and ‘sudoers-file’ fields, but keep
> higher-level things like ‘name-service-switch’ because they’re more
> convenient.

Yes, I agree; if this will be accepted, keeping '<foo>-file' fields (for
hosts, sudoers and future files) is probably not needed.

> The difficulty is that some of the default files, such as /etc/hosts,
> are generated as a function of the ‘operating-system’ declaration.  Thus
> I think we need ‘default-etc-files’ to be a procedure as shown above,
> and the ‘etc-files’ field must be thunked or delayed.  Hmm not fully
> sure this is the right interface.
>
> WDYT?

Yes, this will probably not be an easy-to-use interface, but to have it
is better than to have nothing.  So I am totally for it!

> The bottom line is that /etc is not a great configuration interface
> because it’s all flat and GuixSD has no idea of the meaning of those
> files and their relationship.  So the preferred approach remains
> configuration via services and high-level configuration objects.

Yes, I agree; but if a user is not satisfied by the result of these
high-level services, I think (s)he should have a fallback way to
change/override the resulting /etc file.

-- 
Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-30  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-04 10:29 bug#20255: 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profile 宋文武
2015-04-04 21:04 ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-04-05  3:39   ` 宋文武
2015-04-05 18:15     ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-04-06  4:02       ` 宋文武
2015-04-06  8:24         ` Mark H Weaver
2015-05-02 22:12         ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-19 22:32           ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-20 22:42             ` Alex Kost
2015-11-21  8:57               ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-21 18:41                 ` Alex Kost
2015-11-21 20:10                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-22  7:52                     ` Alex Kost
2015-11-22 10:52                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-22 18:44                         ` Alex Kost
2015-11-22 23:04                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-23 11:55                             ` Alex Kost
2015-11-23 14:31                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-23 20:07                                 ` Adding operating-system field for a custom /etc/profile Alex Kost
2015-11-24 12:48                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-24 19:36                                     ` Alex Kost
2015-11-24 20:30                                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-30  9:10                                         ` Alex Kost
2015-11-30 13:00                                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-24 15:22                                   ` 宋文武
2015-11-24 20:03                                     ` Alex Kost
2015-11-27 14:58                                       ` Customizing /etc Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-30  9:11                                         ` Alex Kost [this message]
2015-11-27 14:34                                     ` /etc/environment and /etc/profile Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-24 17:22                       ` bug#20255: 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profile Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-30  9:08                         ` Alex Kost
2015-11-30 12:25                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-05-04 21:44     ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-05-05  8:28       ` 宋文武
2015-05-05 12:35         ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-05-06 16:35         ` Ludovic Courtès
2015-11-12 11:13       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-02-21 15:53 ` bug#20255: (old)bug#20255: 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profiles zimoun
2020-02-21 17:18   ` Alex Kost
2021-06-26  2:37     ` bug#20255: 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profile Maxim Cournoyer
2021-06-26  5:59       ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-28  4:35         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-06-28  6:58           ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-27  9:59       ` Alex Kost
2021-06-28  4:48         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-06-29 17:29           ` Alex Kost
2020-12-18 20:27   ` bug#20255: «the Oldest» [PATCH] 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profiles zimoun
2023-05-12 12:34     ` bug#20255: 'search-paths' should respect both user and system profile 宋文武 via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-15 13:53       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-17 14:12         ` 宋文武
2023-05-15 17:14       ` Josselin Poiret via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-15 17:46         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-16  9:37           ` Josselin Poiret via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-16 11:00             ` 宋文武 via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-17 14:04 ` bug#20255: [PATCH 1/4] home: shells: Merge search-paths of multiple profiles iyzsong--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-17 14:04   ` bug#20255: [PATCH 2/4] system: default-skeletons: Set up Guix home profile when it exists iyzsong--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-17 14:04   ` bug#20255: [PATCH 3/4] system: Only source system profile's settings in '/etc/profile' iyzsong--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2023-05-17 14:04   ` bug#20255: [PATCH 4/4] news: Add entry for '/etc/profile' changes iyzsong--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-09-14  7:35 User-profile search paths should include system-profile directories Carlos Sánchez de La Lama
2016-09-14 14:58 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-09-15  7:38   ` Alex Kost
2016-09-19 14:08     ` Customizing /etc Ludovic Courtès
2016-09-20 14:14       ` Alex Kost
2017-05-16  8:43 Alex Kost
2017-05-17  8:28 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-18 13:33   ` Alex Kost

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