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Resent-From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 06:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 72314 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Luis Felipe Cc: Timothy Sample , 72314@debbugs.gnu.org, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , Vagrant Cascadian , Simon Tournier Received: via spool by 72314-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B72314.172240721923720 (code B ref 72314); Wed, 31 Jul 2024 06:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 72314) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2024 06:26:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sZ2na-0006AV-Ok for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 02:26:59 -0400 Received: from relay.yourmailgateway.de ([185.244.194.184]:50169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sZ2nW-0006AJ-Ib for 72314@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 02:26:57 -0400 Received: from relay01-mors.netcup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay01-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYhvK5gR5z90Qp; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:26:37 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=key2; t=1722407197; bh=69BiEKDf6O9pzj4MrlJdqi5x9uoeLvgwt0qQuDVFCNY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=i+/6UlQ/yIV//rL2cGdeJ1sKWqmz8PNVYXUwQoinra3EyoAmZj1b5Tn0lg5l8wDDa A4akZxqGopFDDohYfuMT4U26yWvbtQk2Ny96/nIHdqLLPYajFHklOw3Y2VuBIGDXr3 B+56ECRL1F61MsoSOTIzIas/0FmYvViT9wUce6Frz1Z7avN7LqZFZB8nebG2FHuwJw Mj7opP5RK7J0O+gjdQZC5js+G4XlbL9yJbntcdqpU8XaSZYVJmIDsb9nBbzbDeOx/7 KpDZpCDbzjF0LePfu7XjHcXYp/5+xg9nqwhKcUInWNMiWiS8n4M/4E+Gs5czXdcMW8 6BU/6qRi6aLFw== Received: from policy01-mors.netcup.net (unknown [46.38.225.35]) by relay01-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYhvK4zxHz7vQd; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:26:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at policy01-mors.netcup.net Received: from mxe217.netcup.net (unknown [10.243.12.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by policy01-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYhvH6klSz8sbk; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:26:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from florianhp (ipb2186896.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.24.104.150]) by mxe217.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3744484039; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:26:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" In-Reply-To: <3525c51c-376c-e69a-e62f-d24615f370ef@zoho.com> (Luis Felipe's message of "Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:44:21 +0000") References: <20240726212406.26104-1-sirgazil@zoho.com> <20240729171808.30569-1-sirgazil@zoho.com> <874j86zy9w.fsf@pelzflorian.de> <87v80mhhwd.fsf@pelzflorian.de> <3525c51c-376c-e69a-e62f-d24615f370ef@zoho.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:26:25 +0200 Message-ID: <871q3acc1a.fsf_-_@pelzflorian.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3744484039 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-NC-CID: FC3m8E7XSA5oSMVFDEjAVl25oDuNHCdmfaWXX/icp/eGSb+W8dm0iXyQ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -8.80 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6BD78B810 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.80 X-TUID: H87GqzJK1VB0 Luis Felipe writes: >> Could you, Luis, in a new version of the patch add an asterisk that >> preserving likely will work but not always and we cannot guarantee this >> yet? Cc to others for opinions. > > Sure. I'll wait for other's opinions to see how to rewrite that part. > > When I presented the proposal, Simon had suggested changing that > particular part to "Get the same environment in the future" > (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-10/msg00137.html). Ma= ybe > that would be enough? I had read the thread; but somehow missed Simon=E2=80=99s comment... Yes, = if that rewording makes Simon happy already, we can do that. However, writing =E2=80=9Cin the future=E2=80=9C (or just removing the word= 50 from =E2=80=9C50 years later=E2=80=9D) could lead to misconceptions. There are concrete bugs hindering near-term reproducibility for some packages (e.g. those using mercurial) [1]. Soo ... add an ugly asterisk saying =E2=80=9C*currently only guaranteed for= most packages=E2=80=9C? > I thought it would possible, in theory, to travel waay back with Guix > plus archives like Software Heritage in a very distant future... Oh > well :) Most but not all kinds of packages get archived currently AFAIU. Regards, Florian [1] https://hal.science/hal-04586520v1