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Resent-From: zimoun Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61214 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Christopher Baines , "(" Cc: 61214@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61214-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61214.167629023920753 (code B ref 61214); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 61214) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 12:10:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRXfL-0005Of-7P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 07:10:39 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f48.google.com ([209.85.128.48]:45931) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRXfF-0005OB-IN for 61214@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 07:10:34 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id m16-20020a05600c3b1000b003dc4050c94aso8837599wms.4 for <61214@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:10:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1676290228; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=+clLkHaBS/Ija0ehT6LubIwU1Mt5edzrPKdKYdTVJGY=; b=LyTDVaw9I4NFkwQu+HEaftll5wmJ8VUS5EJ8AT/tLf3EEyIflxsabVvvSMtMVICeL6 uPrhyB1bPRntDEgvqsfL5XLh84rTOZnUMzRNmU+NQ1yvvNzE11G+W9nzjalmxpYkoDhE UN1msY6n2fxi2Ny96MoWwzvTB/4514vFP+kVwrn6y7O9lL/WRP+xFNxXeSAIZtGYiZJQ lL6LYx3+jKnR3tZykxbaDsmE/1PtnPNOuNXlLOc/s8wZU843s4ySA28CBBQdUxSHviRC XikOqHKPVyHygTyVoubziEiJo4NKeuAR0KsRwAn5laxcDXHgAoptQSKiM6P05Oyu+jQj hL/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1676290228; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+clLkHaBS/Ija0ehT6LubIwU1Mt5edzrPKdKYdTVJGY=; b=DkIWGpsSY1k6QNEYoc7Jsq99enur8ZqGiT5DM3uslUHmYOTy7bifQDmr4iGt38R6T8 lKJnwTrBboPQbn9Ny60Ahqsvq8CcCfUeMrX102libaDnpTtBQgqNrrzFvIHbUe4grn89 PSwwXU0TKovURq7dJfucqdYyFZHlp1WpRrdosyE4L4fQ8TIWts7URBeae+dPJTmQT/3q TFjaeS+ka6XFUHRcXaqAOC89L9660x7MyNGSGduejHesZUtoPWhKGDLO/oR8kslZ4BnV P5eSiWGjfRWIgzt84BKk4Pww4+V3mtXwLzMVqPnjH8ihuk3Kfz3YiQrZbGdEJCcie/l5 60Rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUnUPGavGsml41OoBbxcsFDzuXueBrol33Sy5uJY3+3bKifc6u1 UjYe9qKB698HvSqVyOzXxnRI6W7NuSA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9vzhYXkcJ2ORtczvPrziWp8XpXhbH8NBr26MI5tJNmLXl5eVZSqZyEN6CKcpTfM4UKIAx3Gw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1d06:b0:3db:2063:425e with SMTP id l6-20020a05600c1d0600b003db2063425emr22883762wms.1.1676290227837; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p14-20020a1c544e000000b003db06493ee7sm17727281wmi.47.2023.02.13.04.10.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun In-Reply-To: <875yc73xgu.fsf@cbaines.net> References: <20230201172821.3072-1-paren@disroot.org> <20230203073624.2338-1-paren@disroot.org> <875yc73xgu.fsf@cbaines.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: <86v8k56a4e.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6F86A3D58D X-Spam-Score: 5.78 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-TUID: nBWksUIfp+SA Hi Chris, On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 10:47, Christopher Baines wrote: > I'd say that Guile is a strongly typed language. I'm also not sure what > the point about compensating for something lacking in Guile means. >From my understanding, =E2=80=9Cstrongly typed=E2=80=9D is poorly defined a= nd there is no strong consensus. The Guile compiler accepts this, (define (bang) (+ 1 "0")) and typed language folks say it should not be possible for a decent compiler supporting =E2=80=9Cstrongly typed=E2=80=9D language. >From my point of view, it is better to speak about dynamically typed and statically typed where definition is clearer. About the remark about =E2=80=9Ccompensating=E2=80=9C, I guess the point is= that using language with a powerful type system, this monad story is somehow included in the type system machinery; for instance Haskell. Since Guile does not have such type system =E2=80=93 but instead it has macros ;-= ) =E2=80=93 then the monad story needs an implementation for its own. (Aside, is monad another way to see macro? [1] :-)) Cheers, simon 1: