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Weaver's message of "Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:21:09 -0500") Message-ID: <86k0ffaxyl.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Mathieu Othacehe , 33362@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641339060; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:resent-cc:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references: list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post: dkim-signature; bh=P523t4vFDlJPPktCJYH0LKFDksxIVLePn6vr1xAaOBw=; b=RNoowVZTm7NsabmtItRhHlSkbG3BI5QOgOXwUBN7dwNS8meYCsCO/B/EZEv0eJjfW5O1Ci a6Lfz4prxP3uTopdDRQfmCVa/Av56WFT+IzalehX5Jz6lf8AadyqviVgK19yfX3XbhowsK Q+rHl3tX6fTTgRlK3NsInQi7y3fZXIga7YQ3xugqhTLt+HVhb1S7ipLSWdYh7WCvQxZ7tq YPyygvypd4EajHj+28jhG/Ce3tvoX/j6XzDOhIv84pa3LUO0glcXyzdUx+0ZemZ5Y20/Q1 L3424gHmARI9MEyVpnvsSO58L1qlhf2w8UCLv0enT1VoaFfMED+aZWk+WsHZGA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641339060; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Yr+JrRuPgXCzPr/IUi8v8x3zX/YayBq5RTnQA/6Bbxbd8JOXaSlZZWRmaqcB5N1E3RleQD JExs1QpEZ7FarKzAptITOtQFtuwStxArOi1qA2dh5apZTi3YdcAU2bJ0TBph9ZstpoJtwN t/DvNwsxD9yCPCV//01XpS0Spgndi/vcwP7r372eQ968+iogUiKFZevq9ZP0Z+x3tWfMOG 32978u3BVpg3xk5+jGYLo1zHqgxx6XOIvDFgkO71a7hEIP7XiFD6BBLdk516njbzIaBbA8 n4U+sB2z1Py6C3nCXDXj/04Yt9U2M3gsKSFoD1iSM4QkLrW3Ih9nAVA+dZEy9g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=B5sSlfy+; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.99 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=B5sSlfy+; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7B1E23CABD X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: SUHWlEWE2btK Hi Mark, CC: Mathieu, maybe they have an insight for Cuirass. On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 18:21, Mark H Weaver wrote: >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 20:09, Mark H Weaver wrote: >> >>> As I write this, there are two system test builds that have been stuck >>> for many hours, endlessly printing "shepherd[1]: waiting for udevd...": >>> >>> https://hydra.gnu.org/build/3153725 >>> https://hydra.gnu.org/build/3154365 >>> >>> They are both on i686-linux, and on the 'core-updates' branch, but with >>> two different build slaves (hydra.gnunet.org and guix.sjd.se). >>> >>> I will now abort these builds, to free up build slots for other jobs. >> >> I am doing bug triage and I hit this old one #33362 [1] from 2018. It >> is about hydra which is down now, IIRC. > > I doubt that this bug was about Hydra. It guess that the bug was in our > system test derivations. As far as I know, the only relevance of Hydra > to this bug is that Hydra was our CI system at that time, and therefore > it was Hydra that brought this bug to my attention. I agree, but I am not able to connect to the mentioned logs. Are the links still working? >> Does it still make sense to keep it open? Or can we close it? > > If the bug hasn't occurred recently, then I agree it's okay to close it. > > It would be good to check our modern Cuirass-based ci.guix.gnu.org to > find out whether this failure mode is still occurring in our system > tests. > > I see that Cuirass's web interface has improved quite significantly in > the last couple of years, and I'm very grateful to those who've worked > on it. However, Cuirass still seems to be missing some important > functionality that Hydra had. Most notably, unless I missed something, > it seems to lack the ability to compare the results of two evaluations > and show the *differences* between those results, i.e. to enumerate the > newly failing jobs, the newly succeeding jobs, and the newly aborted > jobs. > > Without that functionality, it's not easy for us to notice when a job > starts to fail, unless a user files a bug report. The total list of job > failures has always been too large to easily notice changes in that list > without assistance. I agree. Maybe Mathieu could comment more because this missing feature is floating around. :-) Cheers, simon