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From: pukkamustard <pukkamustard@posteo.net>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
Cc: ~pukkamustard/eris@lists.sr.ht, 52555@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:42:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8635l1h1mx.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <846716544b4424f02e383114ebcb52957b43dd4d.camel@telenet.be>


Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be> writes:

>> I think it is important that we do not rely on IPFS for block
>> storage. The decentralized block distribution should work even if the
>> IPFS daemon is not available.
>
> Do we need a database at all?
>
> E.g., if the client cannot download the data in the range [start, end]
> because the corresponding block has disappeared, can it not simply
> download that range from https://ci.guix.gnu.org/nar/[...]
> (not sure about the URI) using a HTTP range request?

This does not work as the mapping from block reference to location in
NAR can not be known by the client who only holds the ERIS
URN. Furthermore, some blocks will be intermediary nodes - they hold
references to content blocks (or other intermediary nodes) but not
content itself.

> (Afterwards, the client should insert the block(s) back into
> IPFS/GNUnet/whatever, maybe using this proposed ‘in-file block store’
> such that other clients (using the same DHT mechanism) can benefit.)

It might make sense for some clients to make content available to other
clients and to go trough the extra effort of putting blocks back into
IPFS/GNUNet/whatever. But this should be optional. Maybe we can call
such clients "caching peers"?

IMO A client should by default only deal with things that are strictly
necessary for getting substitutes. The substistute servers (and caching
peers) should make sure substitutes are available to clients, whether
over IPFS/GNUNet/whatever or plain old HTTP.

-pukkamustard




  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-02 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-16 16:17 [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS pukkamustard
2021-12-16 16:20 ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 1/3] publish: Add ERIS URN to narinfo pukkamustard
2021-12-16 16:20   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 2/3] WIP: gnu: guile-eris: Update to unreleased git version pukkamustard
2021-12-16 16:20   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 3/3] publish: Add IPFS support pukkamustard
2021-12-20 16:25 ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS Ludovic Courtès
2021-12-23 11:42   ` pukkamustard
2021-12-24 14:48     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-01-25 19:21 ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] " pukkamustard
2022-01-25 19:21   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] WIP: gnu: guile-eris: Update to unreleased git version pukkamustard
2022-01-25 19:21   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] publish: Add ERIS URN to narinfo pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:09     ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:15     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:16       ` pukkamustard
2022-01-25 19:21   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] Add (guix eris) pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:23     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:28       ` pukkamustard
2022-02-02 15:36         ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:24     ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-25 19:22   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] publish: Add support for storing ERIS encoded blocks to IPFS pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:28     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:24       ` pukkamustard
2022-01-25 19:22   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] substitute: Fetch substitutes using ERIS pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:29     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:11       ` pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:33     ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:38     ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:40       ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:40     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:38       ` pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:00   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS Maxime Devos
2022-02-02  9:50     ` pukkamustard
2022-01-29 21:08   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02  9:56     ` pukkamustard
2022-02-02 11:09       ` Maxime Devos
2022-01-29 21:52   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 11:10     ` pukkamustard
2022-02-03 20:36       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04 10:20         ` pukkamustard
2022-01-30 11:46   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 10:51     ` pukkamustard
2022-02-02 11:27       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 12:42         ` pukkamustard [this message]
2022-02-02 15:07           ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-02 15:27           ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04 16:16       ` Maxime Devos
2022-12-29 18:13 ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 0/8] " pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 1/8] publish: Add ERIS URN to narinfo pukkamustard
2023-01-14 18:34     ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS Ludovic Courtès
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 2/8] publish: Store ERIS encoded blocks to a local block store pukkamustard
2023-01-14 18:42     ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS Ludovic Courtès
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 3/8] publish: Add HTTP endpoint for resolving ERIS blocks pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 4/8] WIP: substitute: Fetch substitutes using ERIS pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 5/8] eris/http: Add HTTP block de-referencer pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 6/8] WIP: eris: Use HTTP to get ERIS blocks pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 7/8] eris: Use parameterized %eris-peers when getting blocks pukkamustard
2022-12-29 18:13   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v3 8/8] eris: Use IPFS to get ERIS blocks pukkamustard
2023-01-14 18:25   ` [bug#52555] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Decentralized substitute distribution with ERIS Ludovic Courtès
2023-12-28  9:40 ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 0/7] " pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 1/7] narinfo: Add ERIS field pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 2/7] gnu: Add guile-coap pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 3/7] gnu: guile-eris: Update to 1.2.0-dev pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 4/7] publish: Add ERIS URN to narinfo pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 5/7] eris: Connect with an ERIS Store over CoAP+Unix pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 6/7] substitute: Decode substitutes using ERIS pukkamustard
2023-12-28  9:40   ` [bug#52555] [PATCH v4 7/7] gnu: Add kapla pukkamustard

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