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aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=QPJcLXOG; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.91 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=QPJcLXOG; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 65EF135D84 X-Spam-Score: -2.91 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: jKJVR5SOa5bQ Hi Florian, On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 20:36, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote: > What matters is that users try first to install with the stable Guix > System image, because it is more likely to succeed, but if it does not > succeed, they can try the other one. In this regard, the terms > stable/latest seem fine to me. 1.3.0/current might reverse the order. I agree with the aim. I disagree with the term to express it and I think that =E2=80=99stable=E2=80=99 is not clear in this regard. That=E2= =80=99s why I proposed =E2=80=99release=E2=80=99 instead, whereas I agree it is maybe not the best= for translation. Well, maybe =E2=80=99standard / latest=E2=80=99? Or something else than la= test as development, current, or whatever else. > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 04:43:57PM +0100, zimoun wrote: >> However, I have a strong opinion that this label stable/latest is >> confusing, at least in the nav bar. Especially if you come from other >> distros. For instance, stable never receives fixes, so it is not >> 'stable' but 'frozen'. > > The discussion on IRC provess you right that users get confused. I also see the same confusion here and there. Often I answer that once clicked, the download page explains what it is and thus one just has to read to the difference. That=E2=80=99s not true for the manual though. Read explanation for something intuitive implies something is not optimal, hence the proposed patch and discussion. :-) >> Initially, I wanted to replace 'stable' by the current version number; >> something using (latest-guix-version). I think it is the best: clear >> and easy to translate. However, I had some hard time with all these >> quote, backquote, unquote, so I gave up. :-) > > I agree that the "stable" manual is better described as 1.3.0 (like > what your patch does) and not as stable. But I am unsure if the > stable manual is needed at all. You have a more experienced judgment > here though. Well, keep the frozen manual for the current release is another question. For sure, I never use it and I never point to it. I lack imagination and the only user-case I can think of is: read it using another device while installing. Therefore, maybe it would simplify if the navbar Help would contain only =E2=80=9CGuix Manual=E2=80=9D. And the navbar Download would contain Stand= ard, where the Standard webpage would contain a link for the manual in case it is useful. Instead of Standard, it could be (latest-guix-version) but I failed to do it. :-) WDYT? Cheers, simon Note that points to .