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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1680975037; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=iAJ7HHMiSZdVkO4wHbNSVF4cEKwTIobIWPmHI4D4p0jAvNeRGQbxDkfaFSmllFZjEZxrxQ thfAUgJYGZQiNR9UtI4zOGmNXDne79sb9HNnfgIp6DtKV1mRO29GcyG4+wq+XQFU2825JL mPk7WMjauhq5AdnnGcl/2tW3eehboGQIeTCLN+W8wcexnlP1vK7k5hZ0jBUUnCEOiI+zAg Q6WqYBMKYC1TSNdFXPN7VA7uaLMUhbpKxGaWbxF3IMSFNzFKhvZ84aXS5wy3FMqJlDCpbc wcVXIelt97myERl76+RGAV1MrJboiPrWRqTyD/VWF5qKH+k8fylcC+JC9cEejA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1680975037; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=DMPp8ynAAJZgLE9QiwMomgiPevpcPHnJlcl8P7Ea/p4=; b=ccHf70WPYcBynYFDirZvutkWRIUJQ2UHqA9b4AhdNsI8ONPORW9/XhtN94RJ89/znm4aox XfDn/+grzJ1ZhJ+uO00k4Y8lXGmzwGPVFxHHhc4p/xeeQVCpoIG/WTgmWMu0qJ/GbZWgZd cMgSqjsqA2yqGFaE6jf+cvMkWDOvEDFIy62wP1+90+LdKWuZApNuR+dACVygqVWg52nCIC HZx65SGasRzCN2sWWrSZtls3qDo0QkryBBsvNsW7ArFJYQyzbvrytogjOkMRQ0+mVWjNsR os1PguvW2BpFO86HXTLWn6zm6mlCXuDytT6qS0wQLxzwUWagSqzPGbLLz2L/Sg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.48 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Spam-Score: 2.48 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9CCFA2AF61 X-TUID: rsZuOFa8jia3 I don't have strong feelings either way, and the change won't really affect me too much, but what benefit is there in breaking things? From what I understand from your message, users' configs will stop working in a few months when 1.0.x releases (or with the macro would "kinda work"), which is at least a short-term con, so what's the long-term benefit of this change? Is GOOPS so bad a thing to require?