From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id kFENL7jRUmSGdQAASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 03 May 2023 23:27:20 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id eAnwLrjRUmQBPgEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 03 May 2023 23:27:20 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BF61249BC for ; Wed, 3 May 2023 23:27:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puJzp-0005R3-8d; Wed, 03 May 2023 17:26:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puJzj-0005Q1-PG for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2023 17:26:43 -0400 Received: from lepiller.eu ([89.234.186.109]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puJzh-0006uX-Km; Wed, 03 May 2023 17:26:39 -0400 Received: from lepiller.eu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lepiller.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f3c9b897; Wed, 3 May 2023 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=lepiller.eu; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=dkim; bh=f2V/AmkybQYM HTjHE0zDYv9umk5YFpsT98Y9UP5rkZw=; b=VFoqEE53HnPWYbaH0EjcgKtLn5vT Mz8UaUQ+XeFb7DfBS/u88aBMHJg0t8JF3aI9z9b0OwWE5xGuKkEjNfRKwCf/zzWX 2LrmbdJrfv2IqERo6ymIbOs6H+ExcvvW0eeKqDhoeHkEazPh9PJvz/Ql41Fi8HWH 35sBIbT/nidogMPIVwuyULad2NKRrGktbzFwPT3IiokzYkUj6qQap8r6TXOHJ4bt zJVVHqg33ievKnmgfBdRyy7iRctKFTfXwycp59FJdRWid/kJ2ChLoL3qx4sv8jGO b6Qp9TqaGL6llHktg/8+y0QNRGw2DyXtb/qIM47NX9niIWDCoG3n9J3iiw== Received: by lepiller.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1242b104 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 3 May 2023 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2023 23:25:26 +0200 From: Julien Lepiller To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Court=E8s?= , Simon Tournier CC: Andreas Enge , guix-devel@gnu.org, Lars-Dominik Braun Subject: Re: OCaml bootstrap User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <875y99w1yy.fsf_-_@gnu.org> References: <87ildg9jln.fsf@gmail.com> <875y99w1yy.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Message-ID: <7886BBF4-021D-4FB1-B175-50AB77EDD9E2@lepiller.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=89.234.186.109; envelope-from=julien@lepiller.eu; helo=lepiller.eu X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1683149236; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ailgkFPSVXq9xvx94ULYbwEBSK3mivbehh60DTrgfBryM3DZQAa+c3fP2PziX0wgpVofCK HKtxWQErlR5UiCluzA1IVCKABuFt7/HInMnQdl/45Loq6/UtfaSQ4aUHdLEWNACladiu6P G2iFt/D4NWjCc29BRRubwJXnHAgMj1Hms4vobbqq+/taUkIqOG7iTuwnxfzHH2wc0TW3Gx po6JLQLXUWDSmLNpx/A5olJrL8Q8fJyrPq7djWUPh7aMlMpTatV9l6bQAWsEoW+PWKhmJ+ VQxVxv9bYyQ4TLuetvyov8hSFcec1Usy7Onnlk2JPj7cJskwA0KleIsPY3fn1w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=VFoqEE53; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1683149236; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Q2BWRctwBWNr/dqwDtbq+735vuSZB2g51ihsnBfPcdU=; b=MdqgnfPJzN6ekmiI/dLp1nsbAsDjZCYkuBq6aG2kMF7L4NWY385PmiPos5bQYNnf4tdClz Umhpe+q8xGBtO+X7d5Ym/JJN+c7kfBK8YXBVlpHly1uMGAUME7c2cBihlJJyxsZ4RfFcR6 ZfD6oIyrnozP04BpJXPX9JSLbeGPLQn/KkPjLK4T0PJKioqq5MLs0N1b8SV5apn0P243ft jalPtbLpkisDnGNZ5OC9WIufhCWgvWnMJMT9YuGcoHhEynAxwYdMSsMZeC+epnVNOjnEPn dnCJkPTAUEAyOH8HougsiOKniKmnAgFk/c7JZU99kruhziU3lbZVYmKPCCW2tw== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9BF61249BC X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=VFoqEE53; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: Lbrx57tbdZM6 We had some discussion here, but there's still some work to do: https://git= hub=2Ecom/Ekdohibs/camlboot/issues/59 Le 3 mai 2023 23:15:49 GMT+02:00, "Ludovic Court=C3=A8s" = a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >Hello, > >Simon Tournier skribis: > >> Well, 4=2E07 is the version that is de-bootstrapped, i=2Ee=2E bootstrap= ped >> using =E2=80=99camlboot=E2=80=99 via Guile =E2=80=93 for details see [2= ]=2E >> >> However, higher versions (4=2E09, 4=2E14, 5) does not use this seed and= thus >> they are not de-bootstrapped=2E Well, I do not know the status upstrea= m; >> from my point of view, we have two options: >> >> a) Agree with other distros and OCaml folks to rely on a common OCaml >> 4=2E07 bootstrapped using camlboot and then use this OCaml 4=2E07 as t= he >> seed for the subsequent versions=2E Somehow having a way to verify th= e >> current OCaml compiler without running again and again via camlboot=2E >> >> b) Build ourselves a chain from 4=2E07 bootstrapped with camlboot to >> modern OCaml compilers=2E However, each time we modify one dependency= of >> camlboot, it means rebuild the complete chain=2E Well, bootstrapping = via >> camlboot can be very slow and I do not know if we have the resources >> for non-x86_64 architecture=2E Here, the list of the emerged >> dependencies: > >Julien, do you happen to know if there are plans to make camlboot more >capable so it can be used to build newer versions of OCaml? Maybe >something to discuss with Nathana=C3=ABlle Courant and Gabriel Scherer? > >Ludo=E2=80=99=2E