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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?S=C5=82awomir_Lach?= Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643327809; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=JmrEcQyryT2fqpr2PBSKGjJpzfGxllwE0QNnck+F4zs=; b=h/AMAnMLZoiiIbbJYVQqqOrW7PI4GFxJe/1EWSJAuhSHahw8Kj4pvGOeEmZ6qe7bCIvIb6 5n3xEJTsaNCJpi4xBCU+22dcofxKO5zLc5BXqJsZijfH4hISB8/3x0olVlafS9qnGPITP1 dbgYbf0FLk6uxcfh0mk9d+N3dzPFTiSiaj6RBUa5XckifGyO0kU6XACuh9gQjq3/j6w/P9 BrYrmaPv9YOzCaELRGTmGNkc4S1mVFB+o/G6rjzTThqWJ/kHVILXBzT8u9tR95h6qnKStG WbqVHf74vt0yKF2Sj4kVKV3pOLLDhlvycFy40nrQE3+aE05bLyWx9caUiOp9Lg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643327809; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rxbRaSeBhsJjzDxzn5GeYKdB0ZMTJVgQfeec/15HqGKC3hTgUiiOSnrKVWxyWnHBBJHedX O2hlkFiL8K5amVs3ctX3cCwIMyRRuDjTYCb0g18TmHART2DgwcMCk1qiqB1eveos+Pbbx3 ZFbcKQbnasRMemwiOiSSvkoRZ6mF/eoWu2vf+U5GGiJWo21MVeKvIa600sKKMIyS/Utul9 yx1GIRLqqyq6ElSgtCsaS3QgMmqcU6M0ma2SPtnIeB05kJ2dsluAwYUztm7VjnWYBj7pzI MZYxf82jnuVkLfBTEqafc1Dob+QdtOb8NQf8Ie6OQaQ90O1BfLenzjoorkGD3g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4942816618 X-Spam-Score: -2.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: tR9KWHXxptTl This is a comment from a very different angle - another way to promote Guix i= s in the emerging (so I would like to believe =F0=9F=98=85) worker cooperati= ves sector - there is a call for democratically directed software developmen= t (not in the do-o-cracy way that happens due to information asymmetry betwe= en "producers" and "consumers") GNU Guix can offer maximum transparency and user friendliness =F0=9F=98=84 -Yasu > On Jan 28, 2022, at 08:36, Bengt Richter wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn +2022-01-26 23:42:05 +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >>=20 >> Yasuaki Kudo writes: >>=20 >>> Does Guix really run out of the box in Debian? >>>=20 >>> I have never tried it but my friend Debian expert friend keeps telling m= e that: >>>=20 >>> * Just apt-get installing Guix doesn't work >>=20 >> How does =E2=80=9Capt install guix=E2=80=9D not work? There=E2=80=99s an= older version of Guix >> in Debian. After installing it =E2=80=9Cguix pull=E2=80=9D should get th= e latest >> version and it all works. >>=20 >=20 > What does "apt search guix" produce? > (Nothing, on the puri.sm variant of debian. They maintain a custom > pool based on debian minus what they want to exclude AIUI) >=20 >> There=E2=80=99s also an installer script at https://guix.gnu.org/install.= sh >> which skips the detour through apt and gets you the latest release >> directly. >>=20 >>> * and his really big complaint is evidently he creates "virtual >>> environments" (short of full-on VMware, I imagine it is an assortment >>> of Linux native tricks that are wrapped by tools like Docker) for >>> every OS he tries but >>> * Evidently the same tricks don't work with Guix >>=20 >> Is this not *exactly* what =E2=80=9Cguix shell=E2=80=9D (formerly =E2=80=9C= guix enviromnent=E2=80=9D) >> does? =E2=80=9Cguix shell -C=E2=80=9D enters a container, even, using th= e same Linux >> namespace mechanism that Docker wraps. >>=20 >>> * He does not want to try full blown Guix OS without first testing it in= above ways >>=20 >> Guix can comfortably be used outside of Guix System. And you can >> *still* use most =E2=80=9Cguix system=E2=80=9D commands, e.g. to build co= ntainers or >> virtual machines. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Ricardo >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Regards, > Bengt Richter