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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x15-20020a170906298f00b00a27e4d34455sm10485719eje.183.2024.01.19.10.30.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Jan 2024 10:30:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7260bb5fedb746eec38d57b43d2dd42fd8fa9394.camel@gmail.com> From: Liliana Marie Prikler Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:30:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3432D8EE-8F17-46F4-8752-47243ABDDB2E@brandsch.com> References: <3432D8EE-8F17-46F4-8752-47243ABDDB2E@brandsch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: 5.11 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DC88514AC3 X-TUID: 3MLHDbuTfQKS close 68231 thanks Hallo, Enzo Am Dienstag, dem 02.01.2024 um 23:11 +0100 schrieb Enzo Brandsch: > ich bin leider aus Gr=C3=BCnden =E2=80=9Egezwungen=E2=80=9C unfreie Softw= are auf meinem > Laptop zu nutzen. W=C3=BCrde aber sehr sehr gerne Guix als daily-driver > nutzen. [...] > PS: Mein Problem ist ein Intel Wifi Treiber. Laptop ist ein ThinkPad > Yoga. Ich habe bis jetzt immer Arch benutzt werde aber nun bis Guix > meine WLAN-Karte erkennt Clear nutzen. Es ist meines Wissens (und leider auch Erfahrung) nach m=C3=B6glich, einen Laptop ohne WLAN-Karte zu betreiben. Freilich ist das etwas umst=C3=A4ndlicher, weil du dich dann nach herumliegenden Ethernet-Kabeln umsehen musst, aber je nachdem wof=C3=BCr du diesen Laptop verwendest, sollte es m=C3=B6glich sein, eine Kabelverbindung z.B. zum Betriebsnetz aufzubauen. Du k=C3=B6nntest auch, so dein Laptop es zul=C3=A4sst, eine freie WLAN-Kart= e oder einen Adapter benutzen. Generell empfehlenswert ist RYF-zertifizierte Hardware, z.B. [1], aber auch andere Seiten k=C3=B6nnen dir helfen, in Erfahrung zu bringen, wie gut bestimmte Komponenten mit freier Software funktionieren.=20 > W=C3=A4re es f=C3=BCr solche F=C3=A4lle m=C3=B6glich auch unfreie Softwar= e zuzulassen? > Ich kenne mich etwas mit Linux aus habe mir aber noch nie Lizenzen > angesehen und werde vermutlich in naher Zukunft auch kein Auge darauf > werfen. Die GNU FSDG [2], an der wir uns orientieren, ist diesbez=C3=BCglich sehr eindeutig:=20 A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. Zu Deutsch: Eine freie Systemdistribution darf Nutzer=C2=B7innen weder dazu verleiten= , unfreie Information f=C3=BCr den praktischen Gebrauch zu erhalten, noch= =20 sie darin unterst=C3=BCtzen. Zum Punkt WLAN-Karte weiters Some applications and drivers require firmware to function,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0sometimes that firmware is distributed only in object code=C2=A0 form, under a nonfree license. [...] [N]o matter how it's encoded, any nonfree firmware needs to be removed from a free system. Zu Deutsch: Einige Anwendungen oder Treiber ben=C3=B6tigen =E2=80=9EFirmware=E2=80=9C= , um =C2=A0 zu=C2=A0funktionieren, und diese Firmware ist manchmal nur als Objekt-Cod= e unter einer nichtfreien Lizenz vorhanden. [...] [A]ber egal, in welcher Form diese nichtfreie Firmware aufliegt, sie muss von einem freien System entfernt werden. > Als Kompromiss k=C3=B6nnte man ja zum installieren von unfreier Software > mehrere Schritte hinzuf=C3=BCgen welche sicherstellen das man unfreie > Software installieren m=C3=B6chte/muss. Dieser Kompromiss gilt tats=C3=A4chlich auf Festen zur Installierung von Linux-Distributionen [3], nicht aber (wie hier) auf zum GNU-Projekt geh=C3=B6renden =C3=B6ffentlichen Mailing-Listen, oder IRC-Kan=C3=A4len. A= uf solchen Plattformen sind Diskussionen =C3=BCber nichtfreie Software zu unterlassen. Liebe Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Liliana [1] https://ryf.fsf.org/categories/wireless-adapters [2] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html [3] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/install-fest-devil.html