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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 46848@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625670215; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=dl+2F9roQnwLuY5mITN6EoBCjTYAuVNc22KHqrHUTCk=; b=UELLNI9udahQdni8jkF7WOdrZxNvxF2yBfNHS5Xpbi1O6OfPt2zHPJdHeEH5tB3rjm8M2/ S4S6aGp0GipXW9apPjX5leQMUcOmshwFjpT7Xj9itazsamBOZ1V+6xwF/2TBxk5r5Pz9ao d3DYo555Ym5A+XeOlfLWjkHBbmJ8I/QSMjxBhqS8MBszWTyLRyYXk2ul7cGj9MF/DLCyR5 mub+lzYP0AGWM9hxKB6eG5LqFVzbU3ZKpVI5jKScXO44o406w8wFbas31fbS6zANGWy3Ou tMd3CD8OhJ9Cn+bkGguYwn2MWOpXQ0VI67qa77GEcpohv6x9LQRx42peAfP61g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625670215; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=lpX2mLoqNLmfQ0oKjLZNWcIpFYFfJAzSv3xDfUN0LVw9eMTcWbUszC63b3tW+CJ65WSkQj ldFTALAZ2WDhQSuj5SfS4rHOfoQnnuDZeua8UiDmiznWmGc8ZrQQQT+3hmRVXgE82czmty UpykoJzj2+k2LaBUSQm50bLJMW/rJHgwwHzcTwlHxwIfytFH2g6GHswj09R0jfQ3nV0neJ pBZgPQhJiR8AzVymUxAA9f6Rlpzc7gGmz9s1q7U44izbUy9wCyM4/B0SmOD6mmQXuY9Wmc qTdnNW2OH6smUkSUE4wEJMmUeJPtaHJ61qIoihhy5K7oYeQSoayfhMu5BPsjUw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.91 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 170DD17A79 X-Spam-Score: -0.91 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Rgp8Lq33HAl7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7146F635C4E75FB9B7D3E096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 29.06.21 um 09:20 schrieb Lars-Dominik Braun: >> AFAIK this might not be true if other build systems not using setuptools >> at all might show up. And isn't this the main reason for all your work? > No, try Sorry, I've been inprecise on this: There might still be quite some packages out there importing plain, old distutils (and not setuptools) in their setup.py. These are what I meant with "other build systems not using setuptools". For these setup.py to understand the options we (and pip) need for installation, "import distutils" has to be hacked to actually become "import setuptools" - which is what setuptools-shim does -- Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com | | www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible | --------------7146F635C4E75FB9B7D3E096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 29.06.21 um 09:20 schrieb Lars-Dominik Braun:
AFAIK this might not be true if other build systems not using setuptools 
at all might show up. And isn't this the main reason for all your work?

No, try

Sorry, I've been inprecise on this:

There might still be quite some packages out there importing plain, old distutils (and not setuptools) in their setup.py. These are what I meant with "other build systems not using setuptools". For these setup.py to understand the options we (and pip) need for installation, "import distutils" has to be hacked to actually become "import setuptools" - which is what setuptools-shim does

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Regards
Hartmut Goebel

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