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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Sarah Morgensen Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1630839459; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=5jaSEQm1INl9mNo6WWpqFuvLCvLuFH3AmbcBZAAPPEI=; b=HK5KgpQv7W75LwQwAP3ptT/QZEUFMx22rBdTvlDyu4lJKmR8AcWd4tTcB0qwqj11/272la g7Nf7msMPb04Gw1T182BMhJsF6pJDzmmFAhyecVCdwIvu3QySyHBSpUSmVWQrc08dxNeOh JLAyftpV/f4hQSeoIVnRPEVsw67Oif3xexoP8emH1KLCCXIp3+oyw8TCGTCAvmP+hRrs57 Y+NTpjuA4pME1jBir8mOkA3dXmlrlfQ5Xvu6AwQkHm09gBwZRFPf+3L6V+LcqPDF8WbTWp nEjIv8BbBb1gI8QtFqs23bSv5M5z2ZeLuOWy6uyD4Vjx3yFAgKqPhSmH+jms/A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1630839459; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mpSPx9gWLNjIfamLHcDdvUXUzguu3tNjmmjnxOgfGpaOsfCZsmL9hCL81f4LFOcWOMMVe0 3ogdOg3wFabbJNPl/5zcxcY2TdNG5iec64Kfpj/zUJpWaJIDYGPaTsJOFT7/BPvvvcddNz kLhVHahcwiUToCQVWDQiHLGtG2UsaOa3iDMIR8i9du18kyNuVM5DCt2U+IQPWDxKXJZ9mk JywkZl9DyL5chACE2plCpD09v2cXD6qRq19ghIr3R+bjOsw4JQTvQFXm0w2kRcpmQyA1v8 5n0qeM6/O5kZ+kK46hKoFpE9hhzi+jqwkEwIUT0igjku3BXMBr/7zahsijyaeQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=ctDRTQb1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.61 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=ctDRTQb1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BFDDB1A848 X-Spam-Score: -0.61 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: GQWa8+IxOQkw ------C1754UYRN8C6OZELOJP18YODZSGGT3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All inputs of a package are build-time, whether normal, native or propagate= d=2E The result may reference some of them, and these references are the ru= n-time dependencies=2E native-inputs are usually buill-time only, because they are usually progra= ms that are run during the build (hence the need for them to be native in a= cross-build)=2E propagated-inputs breaks this nice model by making them run-time dependenc= ies despite the abscence of a reference=2E I think focusing on the name is distracting, but maybe "dependent-inputs",= since this type of input would only affect the inputs of its dependents? Le 5 septembre 2021 06:06:02 GMT-04:00, Attila Lendvai a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >> > What do you think of "build-propagated-inputs"? >> >> We don't call things build-inputs here in Guix land, that's a no-no :P > >potentially worthless two cents from a newcomer's perspective: >'build-time' and 'run-time' are well established concepts in the wider >community=2E > >if i were reading 'linked-inputs' in a package definition, i wouldn't >associate it to being the set of build-time dependencies=2E > >the best name, from my admittedly uninformed perspective, would be >`build-time-inputs`=2E > >- attila >PGP:=C2=A05D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 > > ------C1754UYRN8C6OZELOJP18YODZSGGT3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All inputs of a package are build-time, whether no= rmal, native or propagated=2E The result may reference some of them, and th= ese references are the run-time dependencies=2E

native-inputs are us= ually buill-time only, because they are usually programs that are run durin= g the build (hence the need for them to be native in a cross-build)=2E
<= br>propagated-inputs breaks this nice model by making them run-time depende= ncies despite the abscence of a reference=2E

I think focusing on the= name is distracting, but maybe "dependent-inputs", since this type of inpu= t would only affect the inputs of its dependents?

Le 5 septembre 2021 06:06:02 GMT-04:00, Attila Lendvai <attila@= lendvai=2Ename> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
What do you thi=
nk of "build-propagated-inputs"?

 We don't call things =
build-inputs here in Guix land, that's a no-no :P

poten=
tially worthless two cents from a newcomer's perspective:
'build-time' a=
nd 'run-time' are well established concepts in the wider
community=2E
if i were reading 'linked-inputs' in a package definition, i wouldn't<=
br>associate it to being the set of build-time dependencies=2E

the b=
est name, from my admittedly uninformed perspective, would be
`build-tim=
e-inputs`=2E

- attila
PGP: 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39


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