From: bo0od <bo0od@riseup.net>
To: carlo@zancanaro.id.au, 47634@debbugs.gnu.org, leo@famulari.name
Subject: bug#47634: Accompany .asc and .DIGESTS keys for the ISO
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 22:17:47 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5c01ac9b-74db-42d5-db39-7f287b70255d@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8624B91E-1A4F-4455-880A-E5664C27D5B1@zancanaro.id.au>
> Which implies that the signatures are sufficient, right?
Well this is simple question but the answer is sorta deeper, So i will
answer with yes and no:
yes signatures are sufficient but signatures with PGP has problems, In
the suggestion above i didnt suggest to diverse the signing methods
(like for example using signify alongside with gpg) but just adding
extra steps better than one (more convenience to say that everything is
going smoothly).
To understand what im talking about i suggest to read:
Why PGP on expiration time:
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/OpenPGP#Issues_with_PGP
Discussion which might consider deprecate the usage of PGP by debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Spec/AptSign
Whonix already using signify alongside with PGP:
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Signify
Also there are challenges to the concept itself:
https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Verifying_Software_Signatures#Conceptual_Challenges_in_Digital_Signatures_Verification
So I hope by complete reading that you will come to the conclusion that
either provide as much as possible from extra verification (like
.asc,DIGESTS,SHA512...etc) or provide alternative verification along
side with the traditional one like using signify or using something like
signify and thats it. (i think providing both methods like pgp/signify
is the best way which suits everybody)
>
>
> On 9 April 2021 3:34:20 am AEST, bo0od <bo0od@riseup.net> wrote:
>> This is nicely written by Qubes documentation:
>>
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/security/verifying-signatures/
>
> From that page:
>
>> If you’ve already verified the signatures on the ISO directly, then verifying digests is not necessary.
>
> Which implies that the signatures are sufficient, right?
>
> What is the benefit to providing the key (.asc) and hashes (.DIGESTS)? The page you linked provides rationale for providing and checking digital signatures, but we already provide them.
>
> Carlo
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-09 22:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-07 5:42 bug#47634: Accompany .asc and .DIGESTS keys for the ISO bo0od
2021-04-08 17:03 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-08 17:34 ` bo0od
2021-04-08 22:57 ` Carlo Zancanaro
2021-04-09 22:17 ` bo0od [this message]
2021-04-10 2:27 ` Carlo Zancanaro
2021-04-10 21:24 ` bo0od
2021-04-18 10:40 ` Ludovic Courtès
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