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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.45 X-Spam-Score: -1.45 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DBA061C2B6 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: uHHX1Z7DXeC+ --4f874562d8724e57b737e9fc6aee2a1b Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Nov 11, 2024, at 7:50 PM, Divya Ranjan wrote: > > I think it would be appropriate if each "next" package had a code comment, or perhaps an addendum to its package description, describing how it relates to the main packaged version. > > I think the whole "next" category is problematic. Why not just have a version number of that package that's different from the "main" one? So instead of emacs-next have emacs-30.0.9 or whatever. At least here the choice of arbitrariness is visible. A "next" makes no sense. One problem with this is that tools resolve a bare package name like "emacs" to the package with that name with the greatest version. So if, for example, the base package is following a LTS channel, or if there's a reason to package a pre-release version, adding "-next" to the name ensures that users don't accidentally end up with a newer-than-recommended version. --4f874562d8724e57b737e9fc6aee2a1b Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Nov 11,= 2024, at 7:50 PM, Divya Ranjan wrote:
> I think it would be a= ppropriate if each "next" package had a code comment, or perhaps an adde= ndum to its package description, describing how it relates to the main p= ackaged version.

I think the whole "next" c= ategory is problematic. Why not just have a version number of that packa= ge that's different from the "main" one? So instead of emacs-next have e= macs-30.0.9 or whatever. At least here the choice of arbitrariness is vi= sible. A "next" makes no sense.

One problem with this is that tools resolve a bare package name = like "emacs" to the package with that name with the greatest version. So= if, for example, the base package is following a LTS channel, or if the= re's a reason to package a pre-release version, adding "-next" to the na= me ensures that users don't accidentally end up with a newer-than-recomm= ended version.
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