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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -10.90 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E75F71DD35 X-TUID: UPYHza2+WyvS On 2024-06-18 20:08, Ian Eure wrote: > Andy Tai writes: > >> What is the role of GNU Guix in this? If Guix is mainly a referral >> mechanism like web page links to the actual contents, the real problem >> is not Guix but the use of free software which can be obtained via >> other mechanisms directly anyway to train LLMs if Guix is not in the >> loop? > Guix sends archive requests to SWH. SWH gives that source code to HuggingFace. HuggingFace demonstrably violates the licenses. > > Guix could stop sending archive requests to SWH. This wouldn’t *stop* the bad things from happening, but it would *stop condoning* them. The same as how Guix not allowing non-free software doesn’t stop people from running it, but doesn’t condone it. > ... Guix doesn't just condone it in this case, it's actively helping SWH out by submitting packages.