From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hartmut Goebel Subject: Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement. Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:05 +0100 Message-ID: <58A22341.7010001@crazy-compilers.com> References: <87tw8bjhqm.fsf@gmail.com> <2c7ae911-863f-4831-f024-060e5f899d3a@alaskasi.com> <87k2948d2q.fsf@gmail.com> <06cfad8d-0222-1c63-522d-013ecd2e6ce8@alaskasi.com> <874lzy4lq2.fsf@gmail.com> <20170213084231.GA16213@jocasta.intra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cdO3f-0002ER-PJ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:21:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cdO3c-00059t-K9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:21:15 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:45303) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cdO3c-00056m-EG for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:21:12 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3vMdl81kCjz3hjgW for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3vMdl80dGJzvkFS for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DL0r5Q6nXa2e for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermia.goebel-consult.de (ppp-46-244-139-92.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.139.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.110.2] (lenashee.goebel-consult.de [192.168.110.2]) by hermia.goebel-consult.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F8460B67 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:21:05 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel Am 13.02.2017 um 20:24 schrieb David Craven: > You can always choose not to apply the vendors update. Is the vendor always trustworthy? Think about vulnerabilities in e.g. router firmware from companies like Cisco and Juniper, which were undiscovered for a long time – and one can reasonably argue that these have been back-doors. Also Intel Chips include a lot of magic called "Intel Management Engine" (IME) or "Active Management Technology" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology -- Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com | | www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |