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* Create help-guix@gnu.org?
@ 2015-12-21 13:45 Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 14:04 ` Thompson, David
                   ` (5 more replies)
  0 siblings, 6 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-21 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel

Hello!

Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
user questions?

Until recently, the community was very small and users were also active
developers, but we’re reaching the point where that may no longer be
true (hey!).  People could ask for help on guix-devel@gnu.org, but some
might be reluctant to doing that when they see that most messages relate
to patch reviews and more or less intricate development topics.

Thoughts?

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
@ 2015-12-21 14:04 ` Thompson, David
  2015-12-21 14:07   ` Daniel Pimentel
  2015-12-21 14:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
                   ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Thompson, David @ 2015-12-21 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> user questions?
>
> Until recently, the community was very small and users were also active
> developers, but we’re reaching the point where that may no longer be
> true (hey!).  People could ask for help on guix-devel@gnu.org, but some
> might be reluctant to doing that when they see that most messages relate
> to patch reviews and more or less intricate development topics.
>
> Thoughts?

Sounds good to me.

- Dave

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 14:04 ` Thompson, David
@ 2015-12-21 14:07   ` Daniel Pimentel
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-12-21 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thompson, David; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org

It's great! Because will be a list to user's questions/asks and 
developer list.


-- 
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 14:04 ` Thompson, David
@ 2015-12-21 14:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
  2015-12-21 15:21 ` Mark H Weaver
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2015-12-21 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel


Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> user questions?

Yes!

~~ Ricardo

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 14:04 ` Thompson, David
  2015-12-21 14:19 ` Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2015-12-21 15:21 ` Mark H Weaver
  2015-12-21 15:55 ` Florian Paul Schmidt
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Mark H Weaver @ 2015-12-21 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> user questions?

Sounds good to me!

     Mark

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-12-21 15:21 ` Mark H Weaver
@ 2015-12-21 15:55 ` Florian Paul Schmidt
  2015-12-21 16:21   ` Eric Bavier
  2015-12-21 17:32   ` Cyril Roelandt
  2015-12-21 17:45 ` Christopher Allan Webber
  2015-12-23  9:30 ` Andreas Enge
  5 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Florian Paul Schmidt @ 2015-12-21 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel

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On 21.12.2015 14:45, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to
> answer user questions?

Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about

guix-help@gnu.org

:)

Flo


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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 15:55 ` Florian Paul Schmidt
@ 2015-12-21 16:21   ` Eric Bavier
  2015-12-21 17:02     ` Florian Paul Schmidt
  2015-12-21 21:53     ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 17:32   ` Cyril Roelandt
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Eric Bavier @ 2015-12-21 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Paul Schmidt
  Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org

On 2015-12-21 16:55, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
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> On 21.12.2015 14:45, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to
>> answer user questions?
> 
> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
> 
> guix-help@gnu.org

I would agree with this, but we already have bug-guix@gnu.org.

Ludo, are email list names in any GNU guidelines?

-- 
`~Eric

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 16:21   ` Eric Bavier
@ 2015-12-21 17:02     ` Florian Paul Schmidt
  2015-12-21 23:45       ` Mathieu Lirzin
  2015-12-21 21:53     ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Florian Paul Schmidt @ 2015-12-21 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Bavier; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org

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On 21.12.2015 17:21, Eric Bavier wrote:
>>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically
>>> to answer user questions?
>> 
>> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
>> 
>> guix-help@gnu.org
> 
> I would agree with this, but we already have bug-guix@gnu.org.
> 
> Ludo, are email list names in any GNU guidelines?
> 

Also keep in mind auto completion :) bug-guix always irked me as odd..

Flo

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 15:55 ` Florian Paul Schmidt
  2015-12-21 16:21   ` Eric Bavier
@ 2015-12-21 17:32   ` Cyril Roelandt
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Cyril Roelandt @ 2015-12-21 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel

On 12/21/2015 04:55 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
> On 21.12.2015 14:45, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Hello!
> 
>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to
>> answer user questions?
> 
> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
> 
> guix-help@gnu.org
> 

Doesn't guix-users@gnu.org sound better?

Cyril.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-12-21 15:55 ` Florian Paul Schmidt
@ 2015-12-21 17:45 ` Christopher Allan Webber
  2015-12-21 18:19   ` Leo Famulari
  2015-12-23  9:30 ` Andreas Enge
  5 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Allan Webber @ 2015-12-21 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel

Ludovic Courtès writes:

> Hello!
>
> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> user questions?
>
> Until recently, the community was very small and users were also active
> developers, but we’re reaching the point where that may no longer be
> true (hey!).  People could ask for help on guix-devel@gnu.org, but some
> might be reluctant to doing that when they see that most messages relate
> to patch reviews and more or less intricate development topics.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ludo’.

Initially I thought, "why not guix-user@gnu.org?"  But after thinking
about it, I like guix-help@gnu.org, keeping with the goal that we want
all users to have the opportunity to become contributors :)

Looking forward to the new list!

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 17:45 ` Christopher Allan Webber
@ 2015-12-21 18:19   ` Leo Famulari
  2015-12-21 21:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Leo Famulari @ 2015-12-21 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christopher Allan Webber; +Cc: guix-devel

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:45:02AM -0600, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> Ludovic Courtès writes:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> > user questions?
> 
> Initially I thought, "why not guix-user@gnu.org?"  But after thinking
> about it, I like guix-help@gnu.org, keeping with the goal that we want
> all users to have the opportunity to become contributors :)

Indeed, this is the Emacs of distros! :)

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 16:21   ` Eric Bavier
  2015-12-21 17:02     ` Florian Paul Schmidt
@ 2015-12-21 21:53     ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-21 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Bavier; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org

Eric Bavier <ericbavier@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> On 2015-12-21 16:55, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>
>> On 21.12.2015 14:45, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to
>>> answer user questions?
>>
>> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
>>
>> guix-help@gnu.org
>
> I would agree with this, but we already have bug-guix@gnu.org.
>
> Ludo, are email list names in any GNU guidelines?

Yes, {help,bug,info}-FOO@gnu.org is standard and we cannot change it.

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 18:19   ` Leo Famulari
@ 2015-12-21 21:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 22:24       ` Mark H Weaver
                         ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-21 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel; +Cc: help-guix

Hello!

Thanks everyone for your feedback, and sorry that the naming scheme is
somewhat set in stone.  ;-)

So the list is already live, I think!  You’re welcome to subscribe.

Let’s see if this message makes it to the new list…

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 21:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2015-12-21 22:24       ` Mark H Weaver
  2015-12-22 16:47         ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 22:46       ` anonymiss
  2015-12-22 18:39       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Mark H Weaver @ 2015-12-21 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, help-guix

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
> So the list is already live, I think!  You’re welcome to subscribe.

Can we get it added to gmane?

     Mark

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 21:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 22:24       ` Mark H Weaver
@ 2015-12-21 22:46       ` anonymiss
  2015-12-22 18:39       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: anonymiss @ 2015-12-21 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, help-guix

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:57:51 +0100
ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> Thanks everyone for your feedback, and sorry that the naming scheme is
> somewhat set in stone.  ;-)
> 
> So the list is already live, I think!  You’re welcome to subscribe.
> 
> Let’s see if this message makes it to the new list…
> 
> Ludo’.
> 

Hi,

I think it's a good idea,
and whoever updates the website should add it to
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/about/#contact

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 17:02     ` Florian Paul Schmidt
@ 2015-12-21 23:45       ` Mathieu Lirzin
  2015-12-22 16:46         ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Lirzin @ 2015-12-21 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Paul Schmidt
  Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org

Hi everyone,

Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net> writes:

> On 21.12.2015 17:21, Eric Bavier wrote:
>>>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically
>>>> to answer user questions?
>>> 
>>> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
>>> 
>>> guix-help@gnu.org
>> 
>> I would agree with this, but we already have bug-guix@gnu.org.
>> 
>> Ludo, are email list names in any GNU guidelines?

I don't think there is a guideline, but there is tradition (sometimes
not followed) of conventional names for GNU mailing lists, which are:

  info-FOO@gnu.org  help-FOO@gnu.org  bug-FOO@gnu.org  FOO-devel@gnu.org

See https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ for a list of all GNU
mailing lists.

> Also keep in mind auto completion :) bug-guix always irked me as odd..
>
> Flo

I agree that such name might feel more “natural” in some sense.
Nonetheless I don't think it makes sense to break a convention for such
little benefit.

So I encourage everyone to stop following their mood of the day in
regards of choosing a name.  Please!  :)

--
Mathieu Lirzin

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 23:45       ` Mathieu Lirzin
@ 2015-12-22 16:46         ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-22 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mathieu Lirzin; +Cc: guix-devel, guix-devel-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org

Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:

> Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> On 21.12.2015 17:21, Eric Bavier wrote:
>>>>> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically
>>>>> to answer user questions?
>>>> 
>>>> Consistent naming schemes are important. I object. How about
>>>> 
>>>> guix-help@gnu.org
>>> 
>>> I would agree with this, but we already have bug-guix@gnu.org.
>>> 
>>> Ludo, are email list names in any GNU guidelines?
>
> I don't think there is a guideline, but there is tradition (sometimes
> not followed) of conventional names for GNU mailing lists, which are:
>
>   info-FOO@gnu.org  help-FOO@gnu.org  bug-FOO@gnu.org  FOO-devel@gnu.org

Yes, this is all described in the GNU maintainers guide:

  http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Standard-Mailing-Lists.html

In fact, Savannah enforces/encourages that convention for GNU packages.

My initial question was more about whether it would make sense to create
such a list, rather than how to call it.  Sorry for being unclear!

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 22:24       ` Mark H Weaver
@ 2015-12-22 16:47         ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-29 10:44           ` Alex Kost
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-22 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mark H Weaver; +Cc: guix-devel, help-guix

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:

> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>> So the list is already live, I think!  You’re welcome to subscribe.
>
> Can we get it added to gmane?

I’ve asked for it.  It should eventually show up at
<http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.guix.help>.

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 21:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
  2015-12-21 22:24       ` Mark H Weaver
  2015-12-21 22:46       ` anonymiss
@ 2015-12-22 18:39       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2015-12-22 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guix-devel; +Cc: help-guix

I’ve updated the web site to list help-guix (commit 68f721b in
guix-artwork.git).  The main page mentions help-guix instead of
guix-devel in the bottom section.

Ludo’.

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-21 13:45 Create help-guix@gnu.org? Ludovic Courtès
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-12-21 17:45 ` Christopher Allan Webber
@ 2015-12-23  9:30 ` Andreas Enge
  5 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2015-12-23  9:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 02:45:24PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Should we create a help-guix@gnu.org mailing list specifically to answer
> user questions?

I understand I am coming too late to chime in, but I would find
guix-users@gnu.org better aligned with guix-devel.

Andreas

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* Re: Create help-guix@gnu.org?
  2015-12-22 16:47         ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2015-12-29 10:44           ` Alex Kost
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Alex Kost @ 2015-12-29 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, help-guix

Ludovic Courtès (2015-12-22 19:47 +0300) wrote:

> Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:
>
>> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>>> So the list is already live, I think!  You’re welcome to subscribe.
>>
>> Can we get it added to gmane?
>
> I’ve asked for it.  It should eventually show up at
> <http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.guix.help>.

Apparently it is: <http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.guix.user>

-- 
Alex

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