From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Bruno_F=c3=a9lix_Rezende_Ribeiro?= Subject: Re: [ART] Background image for GRUB Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:16:53 -0200 Message-ID: <545BC925.1030502@gnu.org> References: <54594B40.9040008@openmailbox.org> <545951BE.5080301@gnu.org> <87tx2d6aog.fsf@gnu.org> <545A2FAF.3030103@gnu.org> <87ppd12yjm.fsf@gnu.org> <545A9679.50503@openmailbox.org> <20141105213917.GA2402@debian> <545AA258.6070105@gnu.org> <87d290oebi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QgtNPo2o5ntlUBPv9xoSLgSAD1cTvnIUA" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32969) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmSYT-0002Rf-Pm for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:17:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmSYG-00011S-SC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:17:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmSYG-00011N-Ok for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:17:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d290oebi.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Felipe_L=c3=b3pez?= This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QgtNPo2o5ntlUBPv9xoSLgSAD1cTvnIUA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote: > I think it would be good to see both names, for the reason I gave > earlier. When we have RMS=E2=80=99s green light, we can remove =E2=80=9C= Guix=E2=80=9D > altogether, but for now, it=E2=80=99s better to keep both. Watch out! If even developers are beginning to think it's "the Guix's distribution", as if it were a meaningful or good thing to think or say, just imagine the misunderstanding inflicted on users by the promotion of that idea. I'm afraid that RMS's green light might come too late. The 0.8 release is of such importance for defining what people will think about the system, because now that it has graphical art, people will see the Guix logo everywhere the operating system and distribution brand were supposed to be. The users probably will start calling it "the Guix distribution" and very soon that will become "the Guix system", with the releases coming by, the misunderstanding will be so disseminated and rooted on people's habits, ideas and information they have access to, that it'll require a immeasurable amount of time and energy, if possible at all, to recover from that status quo, when RMS finally raises the green flag. But you might think: "Wait! But isn't the GNU brand being exhibited with the same ease?". It may well be the case now, but it tends to diminishes and phase out as time comes by. Even now, people will look at it and wonder why that GNU is there, and then they will get the first *apparently sound* thought to justify it: "The Guix distro is a GNU project, right?!". After all, in most people's head, GNU is just a collection of software projects. Unfortunately, if the actual developers are not willing to stand by and fight for the premise that "there is no system but GNU" and express that on their work, I don't think RMS could save us, anyway. --=20 ,=3D ,-_-. =3D. Bruno F=C3=A9lix Rezende Ribeiro (oitofelix) [0x28D618A= F] ((_/)o o(\_)) There is no system but GNU; `-'(. .)`-' GNU Linux-Libre is one of its official kernels; \_/ All software must be free as in freedom; --QgtNPo2o5ntlUBPv9xoSLgSAD1cTvnIUA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUW8klAAoJECe5xv0o1hivhz8IAIRlLqR7wqclVfX/IByycPvz x1HbN8L8UOiiZCIWiOKPPmO9ZLX1brCwId98iZWJ1/rti/b4gKAaIBfEkYohkW12 ZsybfpqH4uQXE9Qf1yvCrY32VYi7DhDqg5bSZHBhhwEkQgBdvKkP4B9LIuFHB+MQ nh9osl4RudTO/k6U23sWAbkzYjAUy0Jfj+dgiWZgpkySrhVUIppzVB7sf7R4uUVJ LuIrw8rS8jo6DCLRU/V8qUhfEzm5TKd+kmDiplcuaiKnocp9Q2dEu05mqD3L6lx6 O7Xr4+HAe/dNOtTxr8S6yYMTYsWtzaADNXH0RQicTG4+bhIW6domdBxm1Te6ArI= =Ng2y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QgtNPo2o5ntlUBPv9xoSLgSAD1cTvnIUA--