From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Bruno_F=c3=a9lix_Rezende_Ribeiro?= Subject: Re: [ART] Background image for GRUB Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:42:15 -0200 Message-ID: <545A6F87.2040007@gnu.org> References: <54594B40.9040008@openmailbox.org> <545951BE.5080301@gnu.org> <87tx2d6aog.fsf@gnu.org> <545A2FAF.3030103@gnu.org> <87y4rpa9pw.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UD1BGSwIdFNN0OsF5FABuskSeh2gWN4WC" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm5XK-0005B0-IF for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:42:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm5XB-0001We-Cl for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:42:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm5XB-0001WZ-AF for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:42:21 -0500 Received: from 189-015-228-073.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br ([189.15.228.73]:35341 helo=[192.168.1.17]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm5XA-0003IX-L9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:42:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y4rpa9pw.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --UD1BGSwIdFNN0OsF5FABuskSeh2gWN4WC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer) wrote: > Let me shamelessly indulge in this bikeshedding discussion. "Bikeshedding" like those discussions of whether the operating system should be called "Linux" or "GNU/Linux"? > Even if the kernel component or any other number of components are=20 > individually maintained by third parties, the effort/project of > bundling them together can alone justify giving the resulting OS a > wholly different name. That would be the brand/project name, akin to > Fedora, CentOS, or Ubuntu. (And also bad choices like "Arch Linux", > "Gentoo Linux", etc. They can justify themselves by saying that they > chose that name for the project.) That's not a matter of it being technically justifiable, although it is. It's a matter of strategy to maximize the effects of our efforts to convey the GNU philosophy to the world. > I think it's a good idea to go with the GNU brand name. I'm glad about that. > But many people will intuitively desire a more technical name, like=20 > "Guix GNU/Linux," naturally shortened to "Guix"... How can you be so sure? What people, the users? It's not a matter of what people's wishes for dubbing projects and packages could possibly be. It's a matter of our stance about an important issue which brings implications as to the visibility of our ethics by society and may affect the destiny of the GNU Project, and the world's computing. I'm not exaggerating here! Do an exercise of thought: try to think how would be the computing today without the GNU Project or without the "Linux" misconception. The revolution begins with one agreement on principle and an endless stream of actions to hold it up. > I'm not sure if there's much we can do about it, since "GNU" is=20 > awfully prone to confusion too so people will avoid it. Of course there is! The fundamental thing is to hold the firm belief we are developing the one true and complete GNU operating system, which in fact we are, and tell people that. If we don't stand by that idea, why are people supposed to respect or acknowledge it at all? > To at least prevent confusion between the package manager and The GNU > System, we could sanction calling the latter GuixOS as an=20 > alternative? How can one, in one's right mind, conflate the two? *Guix is the package manager, GNU is the operating system.* We have to agree on that so we can make it clear to future developers and users, and then move on fulfilling our mission. --=20 ,=3D ,-_-. =3D. Bruno F=C3=A9lix Rezende Ribeiro (oitofelix) [0x28D618A= F] ((_/)o o(\_)) There is no system but GNU; `-'(. .)`-' GNU Linux-Libre is one of its official kernels; \_/ All software must be free as in freedom; --UD1BGSwIdFNN0OsF5FABuskSeh2gWN4WC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUWm+HAAoJECe5xv0o1hivRL0H/RQ/yMgXfLe6B3gMsaY4On/s W15EpkJtiFUYhdPHHswLQF8CkAT+pAvptCRQnNsWFj0HD1zw1phGzrYS5351zB3r eEv9G1spHst/hCFXx2CLWe41bADfFMronPQqpdsGG8eyr3CjuDDNynMaonHVE39E AzddiAGBQkdbqLWt1PJ//cdr1A5J5dt2U8+5ix4C8tiUPexySKJg3VMnaW3xsrPO s6L8uOyuLios1b8vt/uUGiDnpw61h3BQVHAFUnrWkyy463vcoFNKpwgnAWDibMWz 2pZegD0Y3HuYTqX81E/PLzcFOPfDNDLTsIqySkMWaFBwQNwbKKAp8vA7Om+cdn4= =ZRrH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UD1BGSwIdFNN0OsF5FABuskSeh2gWN4WC--