From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2ywi-0002XW-AI for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:20:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2ywc-0005sK-Ul for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:20:08 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:56512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2ywc-0005sA-Q9 for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:20:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2ywc-0006iZ-Jf for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:20:02 -0400 Subject: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. Resent-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:46 +0200 From: Rutger Helling In-Reply-To: <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> Message-ID: <4b4cf69cfc4e2905085513b720671005@mykolab.com> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+kyle=kyleam.com@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" To: ng0 , ludo@gnu.org Cc: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org --=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi ng0, I believe the long-term goal is to replace non-free data too, as OpenTTD did. But this will probably take a while. By the way Ludo, Parabola has packaged OpenMW too. OpenRCT2 is also mentioned in a list of games by them (second link). https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/x86_64/openmw/ https://wiki.parabola.nu/List_of_Applications/Games I also found this thread that confirms no proprietary code is needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/57nsez/openrct2_no_longer_uses_any_code_from_the/ On 2017-10-13 13:43, ng0 wrote: > Rutger Helling transcribed 5.3K bytes: > >> Hey Ludo, >> >> I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of >> the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled >> in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. >> >> Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, >> OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. >> Since that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package. >> >> OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: >> https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw. >> >> For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: >> https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files. >> >> Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements >> for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary >> code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: >> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW. > > Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists on > replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 back > then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to see a > full re-implementation with original new art! > > On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote: > > Hi Rutger, > > Rutger Helling skribis: > > From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Rutger Helling > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. > > * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. > The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it > needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster > Tycoon 2 and exits immediately. > > That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably > non-free files. > > Looking at > , > I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data > because the software doesn't do anything if they are missing. So I > wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. > > WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? > > Thank you, > Ludo'. --=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hi ng0,

I believe the long-term goal is to replace non-free data too, as OpenTTD= did. But this will probably take a while.

By the way Ludo, Parabola has packaged OpenMW too. OpenRCT2 is also ment= ioned in a list of games by them (second link).

https://= www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/x86_64/openmw/
https://wiki.parabola.nu= /List_of_Applications/Games

I also found this thread that confirms no proprietary code is needed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/57nsez/op= enrct2_no_longer_uses_any_code_from_the/

On 2017-10-13 13:43, ng0 wrote:

= Rutger Helling transcribed 5.3K bytes:
Hey Ludo,

I think it makes sense to add i= t, but have it be the responsibility of
the user to provide the asset= s, since these files can never be bundled
in Guix. Maybe it should ex= plicitly mention that.

Note that Guix already has a similar si= tuation with an accepted package,
OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing wi= thout the original game's assets.
Since that got accepted I figured i= t made sense to add this package.

OpenMW seems to have been a= ccepted in Debian too:
https://packages.debian= =2Eorg/sid/openmw.

For reference, here's the list of requ= ired assets for OpenRCT2:
https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW.

Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists o= n
replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 b= ack
then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to se= e a
full re-implementation with original new art!

On 2017-10-13 08:50, l= udo@gnu.org wrote:

Hi Rutger,

Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com> skribis:
From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep = 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:2= 2:27 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2.

* = gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable.

The patch LGTM.  However, when starting the program, it says th= at it
needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaste= r
Tycoon 2 and exits immediately.

That makes the package= useless in the absence of these presumably
non-free files.
Looking at
<https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-= guidelines.html#non-functional-data>,
I think we cannot really= consider these files to be non-functional data
because the software = doesn't do anything if they are missing.  So I
wonder whether it= makes sense to include it in Guix as-is.

WDYT?  Do you k= now what Debian or other free distros do?

Thank you,
Lud= o'.


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