Re: OnlyOffice?

Re: OnlyOffice?

[Hans-Werner Roitzsch]

Hello!

On 10/8/22 03:26, help-guix-request@gnu.org wrote:
> On 2022-10-07 10:07, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> GTK+ comes with broadwayd, which lets you use the browser to render the
>> GUI.  Here’s a quick example:
>>
>>    guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
>>    GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword --
>> abiword
>>
>> Then visithttp://127.0.0.1:8085/  in your browser.

I just tried this out of curiosity and for me it fails:

~~~~
$ guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
[1] 3175
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
32,6 MB will be downloaded
  cairo-1.16.0-doc  135KiB             685KiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  harfbuzz-2.8.2-bin  40KiB            4.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libdatrie-0.2.13-doc  87KiB          3.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libthai-0.1.28-doc  96KiB            3.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libx11-1.7.3.1-doc  1.2MiB           4.9MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libxcb-1.14-doc  572KiB              2.8MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libxext-1.3.4-doc  68KiB             4.1MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  mesa-21.3.8-bin  2KiB                2.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  wayland-1.20.0-doc  147KiB           4.9MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  wayland-protocols-1.23  61KiB        2.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
1,6 MB will be downloaded
  libxi-1.7.10-doc  108KiB             651KiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  dbus-1.12.20-doc  1.1MiB             3.1MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
The following derivation will be built:
   /gnu/store/54msh4l7d5llx8nvnp8mcxsli54skzwm-profile.drv

applying 3 grafts for cairo-1.16.0 ...
applying 1 graft for dbus-1.12.20 ...
applying 4 grafts for harfbuzz-2.8.2 ...
applying 3 grafts for mesa-21.3.8 ...
applying 1 graft for wayland-1.20.0 ...
building CA certificate bundle...
listing Emacs sub-directories...
building fonts directory...
generating GdkPixbuf loaders cache...
generating GLib schema cache...
creating GTK+ icon theme cache...
building cache files for GTK+ input methods...
building directory of Info manuals...
building XDG desktop file cache...
building XDG MIME database...
building profile with 1 package...
Listening on /run/user/1000/broadway6.socket

$ GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword -- abiword
Gtk-Message: 12:18:28.439: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"

(abiword:5128): Clutter-Gtk-ERROR **: 12:18:28.441: *** Unsupported backend.
~~~~

Maybe I need to pull.

~~~~
$ guix pull && guix package -u
...
~~~~

Hm, no still getting:

~~~~
Gtk-Message: 13:05:18.910: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"

(abiword:1302149): Clutter-Gtk-ERROR **: 13:05:18.912: *** Unsupported backend.
~~~~

Should I install any gtk things in my system (Guix on foreign distro here)?

Regards,
Zelphir

Re: OnlyOffice?

[Zelphir Kaltstahl]

Hello!

On 10/8/22 03:26, help-guix-request@gnu.org wrote:
> On 2022-10-07 10:07, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> GTK+ comes with broadwayd, which lets you use the browser to render the
>> GUI.  Here’s a quick example:
>>
>>    guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
>>    GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword --
>> abiword
>>
>> Then visithttp://127.0.0.1:8085/  in your browser.

I just tried this out of curiosity and for me it fails:

~~~~
$ guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
[1] 3175
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
32,6 MB will be downloaded
  cairo-1.16.0-doc  135KiB             685KiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  harfbuzz-2.8.2-bin  40KiB            4.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libdatrie-0.2.13-doc  87KiB          3.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libthai-0.1.28-doc  96KiB            3.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libx11-1.7.3.1-doc  1.2MiB           4.9MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libxcb-1.14-doc  572KiB              2.8MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  libxext-1.3.4-doc  68KiB             4.1MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  mesa-21.3.8-bin  2KiB                2.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  wayland-1.20.0-doc  147KiB           4.9MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  wayland-protocols-1.23  61KiB        2.2MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
1,6 MB will be downloaded
  libxi-1.7.10-doc  108KiB             651KiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
  dbus-1.12.20-doc  1.1MiB             3.1MiB/s 00:00 [##################] 100.0%
The following derivation will be built:
   /gnu/store/54msh4l7d5llx8nvnp8mcxsli54skzwm-profile.drv

applying 3 grafts for cairo-1.16.0 ...
applying 1 graft for dbus-1.12.20 ...
applying 4 grafts for harfbuzz-2.8.2 ...
applying 3 grafts for mesa-21.3.8 ...
applying 1 graft for wayland-1.20.0 ...
building CA certificate bundle...
listing Emacs sub-directories...
building fonts directory...
generating GdkPixbuf loaders cache...
generating GLib schema cache...
creating GTK+ icon theme cache...
building cache files for GTK+ input methods...
building directory of Info manuals...
building XDG desktop file cache...
building XDG MIME database...
building profile with 1 package...
Listening on /run/user/1000/broadway6.socket

$ GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword -- abiword
Gtk-Message: 12:18:28.439: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"

(abiword:5128): Clutter-Gtk-ERROR **: 12:18:28.441: *** Unsupported backend.
~~~~

Maybe I need to pull.

~~~~
$ guix pull && guix package -u
...
~~~~

Hm, no still getting:

~~~~
Gtk-Message: 13:05:18.910: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"

(abiword:1302149): Clutter-Gtk-ERROR **: 13:05:18.912: *** Unsupported backend.
~~~~

Should I install any gtk things in my system (Guix on foreign distro here)?

Regards,
Zelphir

-- 
repositories:https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl

OnlyOffice?

[Yasuaki Kudo]

Hello!

I really wish I actually had time to play with Guix and really use it 
but I have such a time constraint, especially right now - so here I am 
just asking...

For our IT worker cooperative in preparation, one of my areas of 
interest is the realistic partial alternative to Google and Microsoft 
office suite, for a specific market segment.   (I think the huge 
limitation for Microsoft and Google is the very one-sided use agreement 
- they get to decide when to stop or start features and they generally 
have pay-as-you-go model that limits an organization to expand the offer 
rapidly to thousands of users, without making budgetary commitments 
first.  Also, they impose huge vendor-locks)

Has anyone here tried to build or assess the possibility of Guix package 
for OnlyOffice?

https://www.btactic.com/build-onlyoffice-from-source-code/?lang=en

OnlyOffice claims to be AGPL - but my sneaking suspicion is that once 
you open the box, you'll find all sorts of things like binaries, etc 
that cannot be compiled by us???   Just a wild guess.

-Yasu

Re: OnlyOffice?

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@yasuaki.com> writes:

> For our IT worker cooperative in preparation, one of my areas of
> interest is the realistic partial alternative to Google and Microsoft
> office suite, for a specific market segment. […]

Is this for an Office suite accessible throught the web browser?

> Has anyone here tried to build or assess the possibility of Guix
> package for OnlyOffice?

I hadn’t heard of OnlyOffice before, so I don’t know.  But if you want
web access there may be a way to use the existing Office suite packages
and expose them through the browser.

GTK+ comes with broadwayd, which lets you use the browser to render the
GUI.  Here’s a quick example:

  guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
  GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword -- abiword

Then visit http://127.0.0.1:8085/ in your browser.

-- 
Ricardo

Re: OnlyOffice?

[phodina]

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

------- Original Message -------
On Friday, October 7th, 2022 at 10:07 AM, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:


> Yasuaki Kudo yasu@yasuaki.com writes:
> 
> > For our IT worker cooperative in preparation, one of my areas of
> > interest is the realistic partial alternative to Google and Microsoft
> > office suite, for a specific market segment. […]
> 
> 
> Is this for an Office suite accessible throught the web browser?
> 
> > Has anyone here tried to build or assess the possibility of Guix
> > package for OnlyOffice?
> 

Why not use Nextcloud office suite? It's designed to be used in cloud environment. [1]

[1] https://nextcloud.com/office/

----
Petr

Re: OnlyOffice?

[Yasuaki Kudo]

Hi,

Yes, I know about NextCloud and yes, looking for an Online version.

I just thought OnlyOffice was looking better than LibreOffice and I have just tried its online version - it worked really well!

Although skepticism (defeatism?) abounds😅, there is a lot of interest in carving out some niche where we can outperform MS and Google. 

I think Enterprise Guix package management, packaging of business focused applications, deployment, monitoring, etc will get us there where we can survive and eventually thrive 😄

Let me also try the GTK trick for web browsers!  Never heard of it!!

-Yasu


> On Oct 7, 2022, at 21:53, phodina <phodina@protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, October 7th, 2022 at 10:07 AM, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Yasuaki Kudo yasu@yasuaki.com writes:
>> 
>>> For our IT worker cooperative in preparation, one of my areas of
>>> interest is the realistic partial alternative to Google and Microsoft
>>> office suite, for a specific market segment. […]
>> 
>> 
>> Is this for an Office suite accessible throught the web browser?
>> 
>>> Has anyone here tried to build or assess the possibility of Guix
>>> package for OnlyOffice?
> 
> Why not use Nextcloud office suite? It's designed to be used in cloud environment. [1]
> 
> [1] https://nextcloud.com/office/
> 
> ----
> Petr

Re: OnlyOffice?

[david larsson]

On 2022-10-07 10:07, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> 
> GTK+ comes with broadwayd, which lets you use the browser to render the
> GUI.  Here’s a quick example:
> 
>   guix shell gtk+:bin -- broadwayd :5 &
>   GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell abiword -- 
> abiword
> 
> Then visit http://127.0.0.1:8085/ in your browser.

Just so no one misses it - emacs also works if you use the 
emacs-next-pgtk package:

   GDK_BACKEND=broadway BROADWAY_DISPLAY=:5 guix shell emacs-next-pgtk -- 
emacs

Best regards,
David