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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1684851268; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=OP9C0WkyqwZ/3KXoq7MtMgP22GfiqJsXKn8lA0Rxsz+1w8CLB5XRi8AMicdmTj+88DlEYj TbkIuF8CR1gct8r23c5oQv5Ea2H78/pYxHzfLEVe4TUEAk44JcOzf0cHamme7o8zLS7Ge1 zLFXgoGK0rrY8+Whirj6mI7ijSsyynTREPS2pS9ytXkNBl49+W7UAy6HrA5JvTnAApoE1b qHXF1m5tg2MAnbgG7zp7XpF0ER8ejmIAR032T+IdxQCKzlQWgZbkE+rNvA3KLA8eluvn13 WdY4HHGPrQ6M980+TH9sB/k5NgspYIqxAkJqnGCg+L9GFHlNrwBPicIPfIn+Cw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=f+5U2VEU; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1684851268; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=e/6TuA2w88NXtQYnoAhr1PZYotdgBUFAYGBZ1tj6aTI=; b=J4mR9rqrL67FmVN9JkPfJbMA54la6QgscmWdrH1mxsdFUeiGvu2rUjLxiv6t1ERvZUsYRm wlLe2GvCRPVj2AJU1CQb/rQwvZVeCfFO/V6gKue8Lf4JYCVBaLTt4LaduUL7HtZn1w9+6j ETPE5XWmKnr/8Xg3k/AgDJ6h6TO8+OsNmWvPvMnKyt0QkzWf7ypngOaCo4ox1VIPyboasK 7rc68+Kq2k2be9IvpjNN8h3YPqjbrp+rp2ki+tv3M/3povL7dr7BBI3kCkMpQmyvcSPIcu ZnacGUZCBmlE1zjHhMMOHt8Vppm3ogg1vq8aji+CxNr6nGtiP/2No+018OqJDw== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=f+5U2VEU; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.10 X-Spam-Score: -6.10 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A2CAD2B40 X-TUID: +ZVrKbdHQ/99 > I am a bit wary of too much intelligence in interpreting commands, at t= he > expense of clarity Hi Andreas, I agree with this design aesthetic.=20 Personally,=20I like my software not too dumb and not too smart with a sl= ight bias towards the smart. > I think your semantics ends up meaning "try to make sense of the versio= n > field, and give me the package at this version".=20 Aren't=20these the current semantics of guix package transformations thou= gh? I'm just proposing shell syntax for them. Anyways, just an idea. I'm brainstorming out loud ;() I realize that it m= ight be bloat. I'm fine with also not having them as per the design aesthetics mentioned= above.