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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 31F46654E5 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.43 X-Spam-Score: -7.43 X-TUID: 4t0AKrB8Dpxj On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, at 6:11 PM, Marek Pa=C5=9Bnikowski wrote: > I believe there exists a way to relatively quickly and cheaply get acc= ess to more > computing power and possibly storage: DistCC + P2P distribution of the > data. It could be implemented as system services which individual > administrators could decide to enable on their systems. I have wanted something similar. The trust problem is difficult though; = I have a Honeycomb LX2 that I'd gladly put to work contributing build po= wer, and the thought of having distributed/community-run/P2P infrastruct= ure for things like this is appealing, but build servers need to be trus= tworthy. Guix accepting substitutes from servers without trusted signing keys if = the same substitutes are available bit-for-bit on a trusted substitute s= erver felt like it could be a hint at something. But your trusted build = servers need to have built a package anyway for you to accept the same p= ackage from an untrusted one, so that doesn't avoid needing a lot of com= puting power in a trusted build farm.