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From: Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via <guix-patches@gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de>
Cc: Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com>,
	72314@debbugs.gnu.org,
	Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@cyberdimension.org>,
	Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@reproducible-builds.org>,
	Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Subject: [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 1/3] website: Redesign home page.
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:44:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3525c51c-376c-e69a-e62f-d24615f370ef@zoho.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v80mhhwd.fsf@pelzflorian.de>


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El 30/07/24 a las 18:08, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) escribió:
> A blocking issue, one of your slogans says: "Get the same environment 50
> years later".  Guix stood back from this claim so far, although it is
> the goal and there is the attempt to preserve.

Glad you caught this before publishing.


> Could you, Luis, in a new version of the patch add an asterisk that
> preserving likely will work but not always and we cannot guarantee this
> yet?  Cc to others for opinions.

Sure. I'll wait for other's opinions to see how to rewrite that part.

When I presented the proposal, Simon had suggested changing that 
particular part to "Get the same environment in the future" 
(https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-10/msg00137.html). 
Maybe that would be enough?


> To quote [1]:
>
> *The vision*  First of all, one clarification: Guix aims to support time
> travel, but we’re talking of a time scale measured in years, not in
> decades. We know all too well that this is already very ambitious—it’s
> something that probably nobody except Nix and Guix are even trying. More
> importantly, software deployment at the scale of decades calls for very
> different, more radical techniques; it’s the work of archivists.
>
> /End quote.

I thought it would possible, in theory, to travel waay back with Guix 
plus archives like Software Heritage in a very distant future... Oh well :)


> We could make the confusing claim that Guix helps you ship source code
> needed for building, which Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli kind of does for GPL
> license compliance reasons [2], but Guix provides a --sources option to
> find the sources only for packages and not system images.  Shipping
> sources is possible, but not easy and not the goal.  You have a hard
> time testing and /etc/hosts blocking network access.
>
> Cc to Simon, Timothy and Vagrant, who are involved with reproducible
> builds, and Denis who asked [2] mentioned above.

Thanks again for your help, Florian :)



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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-30 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-26 21:22 [bug#72314] [PATCH 0/2] website: Redesign home page sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-26 21:31 ` [bug#72314] [PATCH 1/2] " sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-26 21:31   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH 2/2] website: Move screenshots style to the screenshots style sheet sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-28 14:05   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH 1/2] website: Redesign home page pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-07-29  0:55     ` Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via
2024-07-29 17:10 ` [bug#72314] [PATCH 0/3] " sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-29 17:17 ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 1/3] " sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-29 17:17   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 2/3] website: Move screenshots style to the screenshots style sheet sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-29 17:17   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 3/3] website: Home page template: Untabify sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-30 15:37   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 1/3] website: Redesign home page pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-07-30 17:17     ` Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via
2024-07-30 18:08     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-07-30 22:44       ` Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via [this message]
2024-07-31  6:26         ` [bug#72314] claims Guix can make about reproducibility (was Re: [bug#72314] [PATCH v1 1/3] website: Redesign home page.) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-07-31 12:47           ` Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via
2024-07-31 15:13             ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-07-31 16:25               ` Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via
2024-08-01 22:53                 ` bug#72314: " pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-08-01 23:24                   ` [bug#72314] " Luis Felipe via Guix-patches via
2024-07-31 16:18 ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v2 1/3] website: Redesign home page sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-31 16:18   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v2 2/3] website: Move screenshots style to the screenshots style sheet sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via
2024-07-31 16:18   ` [bug#72314] [PATCH v2 3/3] website: Home page template: Untabify sirgazil--- via Guix-patches via

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