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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656419530; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=GT8fdZAYf9AIxyGGEp6cc8PN7ITF/TpH/zPioLoT34o=; b=FuVWj5fFOIdwTFW/NVrbDnTfrtCYDcViceSU7M5a3DTnCDa8i9n7H34g1FDYJlqjT+Zz6N MyDUc9HWHdp8eNp+34Jsn6H5xoR+deLM3mREeHtDZ5NfA2+RFUSydAnCPuo+RZOzzTsyby 42tHL8n3Za9wDR4OiWpCDIbywpMqz/fqVkFsyit4vzD2NCR2pvqTvjkPszEX0Udto95rdI WzzoMxH92mx0uObyMBdg12aUarHNn0gq32tG8iyr3cz5dRbWXWAQq3jSg28ktWl7dtTQMe /CGy6GgrinjD2O3U8z77WCsaDhKYxGrkAGfDkbBtgj8xPStH10Y8bTrr/8ddng== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656419530; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MCf2Hhx/KjXU8kASYXFqSMAZzklIGap/qG6EmEdrfHtmWnbPYtlVWmv3rkY7Jrh4UXI30n jhXeuVMU4wOUbBLfj5ZjgnfY+Hm6kLHaf4crywZuws0ev2l+9ryZo+y/X0sVbRPzxrulbo Zo1qe2BbjASWzY2LP5+6easE104VcTN6rRqnOMPeod8HgdFQ57MWEczfapgB9dRLbuZ5Y+ E//Vsq+M0/XUQfALAA0Jw5RlVFWB1qgKUvUuMijSXUVdQueYvLj5CQ8ZuLDQzq2o7I3w4a uJxWIoeQp7AFY6tS65AVX9Hw/vzcw4g0mfcHKNeZqQv0Z7ovpQ9DY2SE3yjKLQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=OORcWtU3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.05 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=OORcWtU3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0DA32C391 X-Spam-Score: -10.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: DbBiDiQrCFCL --=-NCn6JEIuf582GHNdPlOc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zimount: > Last, I miss these comments about old bugs and what you are implicitly > suggesting with them. Are you suggesting that old unsolved bugs are > closed without valid motivation? You often close bugs with as rationale: =E2=80=98no response since X months= , hence closing=E2=80=99, so it seems to me that you would simply close bug reports if the bug reporter is gone. > > > Old unsolved bugs are still open > >=20 > > Sometimes they aren't: >=20 > > * https://issues.guix.gnu.org/45828 >=20 > Closed because: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0This can happen if guix-d= aemon was restarted but =E2=80=98guix publish=E2=80=99 wasn=E2=80=99t: > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=E2=80=98guix publish=E2= =80=99 opens only one connection to the store at startup time, > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0and then never tries to r= e-open it. There was an old bug on this topic: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://issues.guix.gnu.o= rg/26705 >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Back then I marked it as = =E2=80=98wontfix=E2=80=99 because: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01. Losing a c= onnection to the daemon Does Not Happen=E2=84=A2 in normal > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0conditions. Namely, upon =E2=80=98herd restart guix-daemon=E2=80=99,= =E2=80=98guix > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0publish=E2=80=99 is automatically restarted. One situation where =E2= =80=98guix > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0publish=E2=80=99 is not restarted is if one does =E2=80=9Ckillall gui= x-daemon=E2=80=9D or > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0similar. (Perhaps that=E2=80=99s something to fix in the Shepherd?) >=20 > > * https://issues.guix.gnu.org/26705 >=20 > Closed because: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0For now I=E2=80=99m closi= ng this bug as =E2=80=9Cwontfix=E2=80=9D because I=E2=80=99ve never seen an= y > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0occurrence of #2, and bec= ause #1 cannot happen on GuixSD (if =E2=80=98guix-daemon=E2=80=99 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0is restarted, the shepher= d will also restart =E2=80=98guix-publish=E2=80=99. It's a bug marked "wontfix" -- sure, I suppose #1 cannot happen on Guix System, but there are foreign distros too. > > * https://issues.guix.gnu.org/25719 (exception handling hasn't been cle= aned up before closing) >=20 > Closed because: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I haven't seen this parti= cular exception in a long time. I cannot tell whether > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the actual usability has = been fixed, though--it could be that only the servers > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0are more reliable and thi= s code path is thus not currently being entered. These kind of things are still bugs -- occassionally we see these kind of bug reports pop up, so likely the underlying issue is still there and error handlings is still loosy. > > * https://issues.guix.gnu.org/44199 (it's a WIP, not completed yet, but= still closed!) >=20 > This history is: >=20 > Maxime Devos wrote on 24 Oct 2020 21:47 > zimoun wrote on 27 Oct 2020 14:39 > Maxime Devos wrote on 27 Oct 2020 19:50 > Maxime Devos wrote on 1 Nov 2020 01:05 > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote on 15 Nov 2020 22:13 >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> This patch defines a `g= nunet-fetch' method, allowing for downloading > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> files from GNUnet by th= eir GNUnet chk-URI. >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0While I think this is a l= audable goal, I=E2=80=99m reluctant to including GNUnet > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0support just yet because,= as stated in recent release announcements, > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0GNUnet is still in flux a= nd not considered =E2=80=9Cproduction ready=E2=80=9D. >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0So I think we should keep= it around and revisit this issue when GNUnet > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0is considered =E2=80=9Cst= able=E2=80=9D. WDYT? >=20 > zimoun wrote on 16 Nov 2020 01:35 > Maxime Devos wrote on 18 Nov 2020 20:14 >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> So I think we should ke= ep it around and revisit this issue when > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> GNUnet > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0> is considered =E2=80=9C= stable=E2=80=9D. WDYT? >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Sounds reasonable to me. = There are also a lot of missing parts: a > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0service definition for Gu= ix System, findings substitutes, finding > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0sources by hash (the one = Guix uses, not the GNUnet hash) ..., so it > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0isn't like my rudimentary= patch was usable on large scale anyway. Oh right that was a bad example, the approach is broken (no http/https fallbacks, bootstrap problems, etc); current idea is to extend (guix download) with gnunet://fs/... instead. > Therefore, if you have more details for one of these reports, feel free > to comment, provide more info or fix; for sure it will help. That's the issue I wanted to highlight -- issues are closed before being fixed when the the reporter disappears (and hence, cannot provide "more info", or=C2=A0has other things to do than provide a fix by theirselves), even if the bug is understood. 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