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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658267031; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=gSX6/8zHwt7frHDFZw9UT6YZYjAlqSSiQs84hkDolCA=; b=ZdMvmDtcnLLFIRo2DX3XegVHM2mtCwuF7Hu9qAU3zWYLzic+YzVnx+Kw71IlJgrGKlTa6Z Gyu7VW2LdOin8MM9fBRVu8wsJB9Z6bUZb8y1CC0Wf4JevZIVhDQpl+Qc1iTvXydpG5mct3 AXfEKtSUYfgv7hECrX9XtXLFv8xcMdFuerApfLPzgzFSxKeOQbHWph7Yp7IDatw5/d2/CC Pk7+ejQ3Me8Ktm83Z9aB9hKQ9wjAvllZO7wIFwHJCa8b/f863UNoOSyG9K7lm0khNqysZ5 kZcZqbCeMhqQ5D6M1w3U1yNnJ0yox61Ut4U+YICvYp/s/k529cbOyYx79gbhoQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658267031; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=i+E5fiVuL8Sm63AE6skxk6RuSVDCfsic6Rz85Zye4xbc91EPm6zwrOQFSYx5GtBEefk8ra WT7t1vQjTh9N/6JpMUKfSayOzmXYWDT5lO53IExEy55YkLMhat3+gZFNr1mqYP5TC6Wqam FvkwHg2rCZQo/qiqn5R9HwQsQ/isdgqUXFetbIwoBnBWTIafyVJ2pBdEHiL0X0Lwv5/8xN 43+cJ00Fa/n5hV6k0PQ9KQjs+UcqEB2B4tS3kcc6ZVvGo2x4o0SJj+NXhRWVUSqTkPoeep ds6wWoZZ4pYDeeGWL9kTPxcKDc5yd05KwTYh2nfwwtOcmnRoFJkpn7ZFq9EBLA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=YxRa37q+; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.03 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=YxRa37q+; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 91FF714AAF X-Spam-Score: -9.03 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: wThqfO8HIqNC July 14, 2022 9:06 AM, "zimoun" wrote: > Hi Tobias, All, >=20 >=20(French Bastille Day is a day off, so a day for trolling. ;-)) >=20 >=20On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 10:40, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wr= ote: >=20 >>=20https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap >=20 >=20Thanks for the link. It is helpful for understanding. :-) >=20 >>=20Far from 'recent' in my book. >=20 >=20Indeed, the announcement is from 2019-12-21. :-) >=20 >=20Quoting: >=20 >=20This will not be a "distro", but a hard fork of the OpenBSD > kernel and userspace >=20 >=20Not being a new distro means using the venerable pkg_* package manage= r, > right? Well, I am confused by the aim=E2=80=A6 They want to use pacman apparently. :) >=20 >>>=20If you run OpenBSD kernel and OpenBSD userland, why not just run an >>> OpenBSD system? :-) >>=20 >>=20Because it contains blobs. HyperbolaBSD doesn't, by definition (see = above). >=20 >=20=E2=80=A6because HyperboladBSD seems a new distro as gnewSense is a n= ew distro > free from problematic parts but based on an existing other one. Well, > since it had been announced on late 2019 and we are in 2022, it could b= e > interesting to know the status on this project. >=20 >>=20Whatever my opinion on WSL, Darwin, and the Hurd, I must concede tha= t they at least exist. >>=20 >>=20Porting Guix to something that doesn't is a poor investment in compa= rison. >=20 >=20Just to be sure to understand, the initial question is to port Guix t= o > HyperbolaBSD which is a variant of OpenBSD (kernel and userland). >=20 >=20Therefore, correct me if I misunderstand something, it means: >=20 >=201. port Guix to a new kernel not using the GLibc > 2. package all the (free) userland OpenBSD managed by Guix >=20 >=20Bah I wish all the best for people who would tackle this. :-) >=20 >=20Well, dreaming about science fiction, Thanks for speaking plainly. I did not realize how difficult this projec= t would be. :) > it appears me more approachable to > have Guix running on something as Debian/kfreeBSD =E2=80=93 it could be= an > interesting project with the help of Debian folks. Other said, =E2=80= =9Cjust=E2=80=9D > replace the Linux kernel by a variant of the FreeBSD one running with > GNU GLibc. >=20 >=20However, doing so, the point #2 (BSD userland) is lost. >=20 >=20My understanding is: #1 and #2 require more work than the union of th= e > Guix community *and* the other kernel community could provide, IMHO. > Assuming both communities would be interested in. :-) >=20 >=20Cheers, > simon