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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617156530; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=une517ZaoRHn9esq0QCz9g0Bnz17UbKC0QrPzdniAvc=; b=S4+e5zMZv/v6zdwSNd41BevqNXfTRV1/AZvSw8Ih9t1YzSYQdEoTxAipjFjah114l0ZtQR f9z+7JxvyZAcej9vmjYK/G/kCqF4/NUIQlg2lQi0Fd2wM3vbC2GoxuL6pfNXjizGHP2YEL u7CW4jzyswR1zigLn1yJbvYKmbGq6gHvdI6M6+qZxd7CoEwsRo85x5VurKXEZqhMcyjewQ niXLCpzWinFkb+uGTZKRN8KeGmUqPJmf0jkhk9Iy/1bei06X+Tg02o+GdQjJZfGllU8wDU /X24rD8aPrjbiU3Xe3L6b89PLgi77/7KQBqu+ikVKCTsb/iaD1eyf4PBIWDh/A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617156530; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=P8t21b3rb03uyy7g5N9qssecTEIswo5e7rmTgRsQUBk6FozDm1cx/+lFKRSPFZAeH//WS8 XzAwhrwc/V4CB5fbnqeWGb5OnKgiINwLk6ipaSzJ7Al4s3S2bQpgGWo2/+0UbYb4axeZH9 DJ9xvVT64Kv2X8ROwzf/1R0wXkBnaRMB4w6cKeR6jevgGCV0oPFW9Tv3YWJVi2LKBcOKwa FS/WrF4jja6/ujTmzZXvsx8vNPnxpIui03LNNOwoMeRfE1HPWdxe/YlouK/8YeiJnKpQEo W3/AwcM/C8mQPAKfwfwMtjZhZJm71kRLLijE6AyRMw5uMKuULqghb7ihRDDulQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=UwI9L2Mg; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=UwI9L2Mg; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3E07218008 X-Spam-Score: -5.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1TfnMadN8FUX --=-cQTkPOOqh9gyy4wNkfYv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 21:55 -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > I'm sorry if that happened. It was not my intent. Can you show me > what > I wrote that misrepresents your position? I don't have the energy now I feel already bad enough this discussion even happened, in a way that even Ludo, the creator of the GNU Guix project, ended up saying that they think I don't understand the review process. I think I do understand it and I wonder why anyone made me a GNU Guix committer if they think any other way. > I answered essentially the same question in my last message, so I'm > not > sure why you're asking again. We've been successfully accepting > contributions from non-committers for years. I think one has to realize that being a non-committer is a really frustrating experience even if your work is of good quality and that frustrating experience is demotivating and makes people give up. And having a branch and special relationship with a GNU Guix committer (like what we're doing with Raghav) is helpful to capture Raghav's motivation and energy in a way they do not get frustrated and give up. > Yes, of course. To be clear: you are well within your *rights* to do > so, regardless of what anyone else thinks. >=20 > My main concerns are: >=20 > (1) The primary branch for GNOME 40 work should be on Savannah, and > that's where we should encourage Guix developers to do this work. > No Guix developer should be asked to work on an external site in > order to contribute to the GNOME 40 effort. That's where it felt it was the best place to collaborate for me and Raghav (non-committer). >=20 > (2) Any work that you and Raghav do on an external site should be > _regularly_ merged into Savannah, in manageable pieces, after > being > reviewed of course. If you do this, my concerns over review > quality > would be addressed. We already seek to do this. >=20 > (3) If changes are made on the 'wip' branch on Savannah that conflict > with your preliminary work on an external site, it would be your > responsibility to rebase your work as needed, just as anyone > proposing a patch would be expected to do. That should be an > incentive to submit your work to Savannah early and often. If changes were to be made in a way that rebasing work and solving conflicts becomes too much trouble we will probably give up (Raghav probably) and there wont be any GNOME 40 upgrade. > Would this be acceptable to you? 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