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To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" From: Brendan Tildesley Message-ID: <295D3E67-7AB9-4D17-956F-BD0C452B575C@brendan.scot> X-MBO-SPAM-Probability: X-Rspamd-Score: -5.48 / 15.00 / 15.00 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7FFE517DF X-Rspamd-UID: 947aa9 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.171; envelope-from=mail@brendan.scot; helo=mout-p-201.mailbox.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 19:41:39 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel , Mathieu Othacehe Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=brendan.scot header.s=MBO0001 header.b=HifVtCl5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.99 X-TUID: QcPDUFaZU2F0 ------NZ6P9B2J7OMIKE2W0U8615R0BHA62W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On October 12, 2020 7:32:08 AM GMT+11:00, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote: >On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 05:23:30PM +1100, Brendan Tildesley wrote: >> Hi, I went through the installer looking for anything negative I >could say >> about it :) hope there is something helpful here: > >Thank you for testing! > > >> Unrelated driver bug: installer was just a black screen until I >rebooted >> with nomodeset:=C2=A0 https://paste=2Edebian=2Enet/1166581/ >> Even with nomodeset, I get an error about no UMS supported in radeon, >but it >> doesn't stop anything=2E > >This black screen regression should be =E2=80=9Cfixed=E2=80=9D now (commi= t >34d436a4082b5c5f23b00e13eb8e5a92d957d704) by passing a kernel argument >=E2=80=9Cmodprobe=2Eblacklist=3Dradeon=E2=80=9D which disables the radeon= driver=2E > >(This was also blacklisted in the last release 1=2E1=2E0 of Guix, see >=2E I had removed >=E2=80=9Cmodprobe=2Eblacklist=3Dradeon=E2=80=9D because it was for some t= ime no longer >needed on one of my machines=2E) > >Some users will have a black screen in the installed system as well >(if they use Linux-libre)=2E I don=E2=80=99t think we can do much about = that=2E >Niels only had trouble with t= he >installer but did not on the installed system=2E It seems not feasible >to predict which users would have a black screen in the installed >system, so we cannot add instructions only for them=2E > > > >> Languages listed in the language selection are sometimes in English, >Rarely >> in the native language=2E [=E2=80=A6] >> Random thought: could we adapt the installer to use the same >sentences from >> an existing installer, like the ubuntu one, so that all the >translations can >> be copied in for free? All the basic quesions like please choose a >password >> are surely shared between these installers=2E > >Yes, we could copy translations without understanding the language (at >least after our planned switch from the Translation Project to our own >hosted Weblate translation infrastructure)=2E > >Regards, >Florian I forgot to mention that the trisquel 8=2E0 installer did in fact work on = the same computer=2E I was able to boot to the desktop, so it doesn't seem = like a Linux libre issue=2E I wonder where the bug is introduced, and how I= could isolate the bug=2E Maybe I could build versions of the installer wit= h the LTS Linux or other versions to see if they work=2E Could the use of k= mscon possibly be related? ------NZ6P9B2J7OMIKE2W0U8615R0BHA62W Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On October 12, 2020 7:3= 2:08 AM GMT+11:00, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian= =2Ede> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 05:23:30PM +1100, Brendan Ti=
ldesley wrote:
Hi, I we=
nt through the installer looking for anything negative I could say
about=
 it :) hope there is something helpful here:

Thank you =
for testing!


Un=
related driver bug: installer was just a black screen until I rebooted
w=
ith nomodeset:  http=
s://paste=2Edebian=2Enet/1166581/
Even with nomodeset, I get an erro=
r about no UMS supported in radeon, but it
doesn't stop anything=2E
<=
/blockquote>
This black screen regression should be =E2=80=9Cfixed=E2=80=
=9D now (commit
34d436a4082b5c5f23b00e13eb8e5a92d957d704) by passing a k=
ernel argument
=E2=80=9Cmodprobe=2Eblacklist=3Dradeon=E2=80=9D which dis=
ables the radeon driver=2E

(This was also blacklisted in the last re=
lease 1=2E1=2E0 of Guix, see
<https://issues=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/40599>=2E  I had rem=
oved
=E2=80=9Cmodprobe=2Eblacklist=3Dradeon=E2=80=9D because it was for =
some time no longer
needed on one of my machines=2E)

Some users w=
ill have a black screen in the installed system as well
(if they use Lin=
ux-libre)=2E  I don=E2=80=99t think we can do much about that=2E
Niels &=
lt;https://issues=2Eg=
uix=2Egnu=2Eorg/40599#8> only had trouble with the
installer but =
did not on the installed system=2E  It seems not feasible
to predict whi=
ch users would have a black screen in the installed
system, so we cannot=
 add instructions only for them=2E



Languages listed in the language selection are some=
times in English, Rarely
in the native language=2E [=E2=80=A6]
Random=
 thought: could we adapt the installer to use the same sentences from
an=
 existing installer, like the ubuntu one, so that all the translations can<=
br>be copied in for free? All the basic quesions like please choose a passw=
ord
are surely shared between these installers=2E

Ye=
s, we could copy translations without understanding the language (at
lea=
st after our planned switch from the Translation Project to our own
host=
ed Weblate translation infrastructure)=2E

Regards,
Florian

I forgot to mention that the trisqu= el 8=2E0 installer did in fact work on the same computer=2E I was able to b= oot to the desktop, so it doesn't seem like a Linux libre issue=2E I wonder= where the bug is introduced, and how I could isolate the bug=2E Maybe I co= uld build versions of the installer with the LTS Linux or other versions to= see if they work=2E Could the use of kmscon possibly be related? ------NZ6P9B2J7OMIKE2W0U8615R0BHA62W--