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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1683194510; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=b7B/nGxl23Nw/LiB8q4BjT7pjlFmdNSekUHCH1v4+pQQ5gQjXkPcCI0EzOs5DGamVusErF hKrdrTy4kv7qNDKqpWYP5H9HHb3cSguvD41TxCOPEBGove6yL/ysgW2F44X7pggNkkQhiL zzTpSEayOLTYIYSuwwEPZKd4TgIyTW7+8fbKKNRGv5NNVSmefvJPISIrjx92ob3uJ741Z8 Oa7lCJ4XVqSWjc2zULTN8tuNVhR+3SMFNkf4QMpVao9iLMcn2cOk77K8wvoDUaa6twhn2U UpvQ2MCeoffba/3g7Sn0BZ4rBoXvDvZBKs+IE8p/wLIutm/rajnMGAQb9UGQ5Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=XFYvwE8l; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1683194510; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=XwAvXMvtEa/xqoHXLuAuWP8hTYoEMPj779qz0upQrbA=; b=lr9AYJJxe342TclLpi95ZRGqhVTvv2BUjZS+18iBS1hPQJUWh6D55rhg75rUeITiAhOEKa 6g2/w9TJDMm5asMn12Eaa5tjAvlTU/G4/D1OAmUEYqAuyoaO9eLcJBIQK1JIFMe790Dum/ krvjt0RV9mVtk52SuMyD1kfm6b4cmXAr6gmtmjL1GH90qNDImzJMk6LbHwKArY/09TZmnQ cMDQWlMAQH3jTsDcnfDcBddrDqm7oWuRNiES8FlM4+0HR4W3bZqNefsTCQjzY6Uocpt+dJ AJnuR4dtx3fCdU6IGRST0RsQjFQ365vrjb/7m1Sc/xVKd2zjEfKYXN0f5SdEEQ== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b=XFYvwE8l; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 26EE03E0A3 X-TUID: oWH927z4UdFj Le 4 mai 2023 10:41:18 GMT+02:00, Simon Tournier a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >Hi, > >On Wed, 03 May 2023 at 23:25, Julien Lepiller wrot= e: > >>>Julien, do you happen to know if there are plans to make camlboot more >>>capable so it can be used to build newer versions of OCaml? Maybe >>>something to discuss with Nathana=C3=ABlle Courant and Gabriel Scherer? > >> We had some discussion here, but there's still some work to do: >> https://github=2Ecom/Ekdohibs/camlboot/issues/59 > >Cool! > >Just to be sure, the discussion is from one year ago, right? Any >update? No updates=2E I don't think any of us worked more on that than you can rea= d=2E > >Well, rehashing, I think we could consider a full-bootstrap from source >for OCaml=2E Whatever the seed (4=2E07 or 4=2E09), we could consider it = as >done and fixed=2E Here all the =E2=80=9Cinputs=E2=80=9D: > >--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > "bash-minimal@5=2E1=2E16"=20 > "bash-minimal@5=2E1=2E16"=20 > "binutils@2=2E38"=20 > "bzip2@1=2E0=2E8"=20 > "coreutils@9=2E1"=20 > "diffutils@3=2E8"=20 > "file@5=2E44"=20 > "findutils@4=2E9=2E0"=20 > "gawk@5=2E2=2E1"=20 > "gcc@11=2E3=2E0"=20 > "glibc-utf8-locales@2=2E35"=20 > "glibc@2=2E35"=20 > "grep@3=2E8"=20 > "guile@3=2E0=2E9"=20 > "gzip@1=2E12"=20 > "ld-wrapper@0"=20 > "libffi@3=2E4=2E4"=20 > "libgc@8=2E2=2E2" > "libunistring@1=2E0"=20 > "make@4=2E3"=20 > "patch@2=2E7=2E6"=20 > "pkg-config@0=2E29=2E2"=20 > "sed@4=2E8"=20 > "tar@1=2E34"=20 > "xz@5=2E2=2E8"=20 >--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > >Only guile-3=2E0 is not a package deep in the graph=2E All the others ar= e=2E >My question is: do we want to rebuild camlboot and then all the OCaml >world each time we update one of these =E2=80=9Cinputs=E2=80=9C? > >For example, what does it bring on the table to rebuild camlboot because >grep had been updated? I don't understand what you suggest here=2E I think grep is used in the Ma= kefile, so we can't just remove it from the inputs=2E What would not buildi= ng camlboot when grep is updated look like? Have a grep-for-build that is never updated? Build camlboot once and repac= kage the binary (making it a bootstrap seed)? > > >Cheers, >simon