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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d17-20020aa7ce11000000b00521d42fb41asm4437914edv.67.2023.07.23.01.10.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 01:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <21d70c0b18896623144c3b4e6160f575512f3434.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Giovanni Biscuolo , Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli Cc: Maxime Devos , guix-devel@gnu.org, Adam Faiz Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:10:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wmzxyzuy.fsf@xelera.eu> References: <48ce733acba20030aba9eba1a45e18a805cfcf73.camel@gmail.com> <20230615183007.78b46914@primary_laptop> <9a7226e950d1764c48a87650ca3440c3f7eee485.camel@gmail.com> <20230616174126.3e16c6c7@primary_laptop> <20230618210730.25c01473@primary_laptop> <219ecbcb11da8f43d70c6acdedd17d9177790022.camel@gmail.com> <87wmzxyzuy.fsf@xelera.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::543; envelope-from=liliana.prikler@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x543.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FUZZY_IMPORTANT=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.51 X-Spam-Score: -9.51 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 555B53DF02 X-TUID: 2SBC97OHCp4s Am Mittwoch, dem 21.06.2023 um 10:38 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo: > > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since > > then.=20 > > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games > > which obviously violate the FSDG (that is all the games currently > > depending on ScummVM as far as I know) >=20 > I totally agree with this simple and pragmatic solution, but the FSDG > violation is not that games are distributed with a non-free license > (IMHO the license of some or all games have the same legal effect of > the SIL Open Font License v.1.1, that is considered free [1]) I don't think the exception the FSF makes here for fonts holds for actual software, but I might be mistaken. Also note that we only bundle ScummVM with guix pack style tarballs, but not in the packages themselves. > AFAIU the violation comes from the absence of the source code (or > just the build tools?) to compile the game to ScummVM bytecode (other > issues with the way games are compiled and distributed can be > patched, AFAIU) >=20 > IMO when removing teh games is very inportant to mention the > motivation, since it will be useful for potential similar use cases. I've pushed the removals to master, pointing to the lack of corresponding source as the fact we can all agree on. This comes in just in time as Adam Faiz (hi there!) has packaged openquest [1], which will hopefully soon give us a free as in freedom game to play with ScummVM and compare other submissions against :) Cheers [1] https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/64787