From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:303:e16b::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms13.migadu.com with LMTPS id EPMqHTsaLWeEGwEAqHPOHw:P1 (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 19:51:23 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:303:e16b::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0.migadu.com with LMTPS id EPMqHTsaLWeEGwEAqHPOHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 20:51:23 +0100 X-Envelope-To: larch@yhetil.org Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=inventati.org header.s=stigmate header.b=Gd4AcSQe; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=inventati.org ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1731009083; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=CluKmMt3YaMo9yhgZnUxfM2M8Bpg+pp6C85UV6xeNrw=; b=r1a7WckqgMw0Id9eU/XLhLSdWsbTCGY8Z65NYgk8G037MBYy57Y/xLOyQ7OjCdyruGei7I HP/7mqHADdERouKsKyrVwGpCHxsyFiF7j4F7+RKLFUybo5rHmhJ1opo9V5MVsEzu0TZqnG Ho59oQQOAB3cbA+7DgQVGj5/y/f13AXpxWL/4EplveYqupQGgMkaNtHOQGhfHt5AXSCgPN 8zYO4d6vrwjJxIrgy/yfseioz6Qg9o9ZFWRN5qzUdckzumkocuqzA4Yn9XqbS9JXv3nuUo coUEHcYCnJ7t2uc8gFFrBetlQy9G4RRGIP8kBJbLb0qrG3xYF7zaJGLRyslgNA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1731009083; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=gE3LHjTBcAyKdImWcObEEe7UTbVi+Mj7tAW/wR6+s6L6nHzXlebz3Y28UDQbAsJ4SlC43S 2mE4G7rcpRdh0z5ZlS1r1UXev95q9qKe8fF5rGgc2tIhhN+1H36jaiNJGp74/T96YfpuFp w5n0PXzQUNDJ/upHv3Pq3LJ2k8awjPkus1GSX+vgPiVkk5pgZiIIJk3dc7tr/7sM6GKZ7x 2E40B39/KERGM6NM7/efS2sUKLAvAPzrmfL2BrOPOh8rdObnzMCZhqPZrwhj9KhEfomnsA CSvYo7fKe89zdaMKaakazWibLynJMT1HkVZC6V/k2uxmel0Du4uxQjfK2/a4oA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=inventati.org header.s=stigmate header.b=Gd4AcSQe; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=inventati.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FD287D247 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 20:51:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t98Wf-0000Kq-2O; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 14:50:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t95F4-00059V-1q for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:20:18 -0500 Received: from confino.investici.org ([93.190.126.19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t95F1-0001xS-LE for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:20:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1730996402; bh=CluKmMt3YaMo9yhgZnUxfM2M8Bpg+pp6C85UV6xeNrw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Gd4AcSQeoc1b4JhzVnnL0wB+XWckRhjAfnRtJuYXPulYMLGjg4cS7uYATsWzwQc0W OEjYVjJ/hDKgj10bvBOpwvAD20GkUTiTLZD0k26DPZBuk4vO9GzB5M2oaVu1SoBc+D vDb39518YIeONLE0oDZSwoL/qhyzPomyNmBcoemg= Received: from mx1.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by confino.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4XknNL6LZtz111j; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.190.126.19] (mx1.investici.org [93.190.126.19]) (Authenticated sender: cayetano.santos@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4XknNL4F6vz111Z; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Cayetano Santos To: Suhail Singh Cc: 74231@debbugs.gnu.org, Guix-devel mailing list , Mekeor Melire , Xinglu Chen Subject: Re: emacs-git-email: Guix policy for dealing with abandoned packages with active forks In-Reply-To: <87y11vf3ju.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Suhail Singh's message of "Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:48:21 -0500") References: <578f2ae3ba7cc4838ffdbc0929e6d3a5c8a6a9cc.1730918803.git.suhail@bayesians.ca> <87ed3n1dby.fsf@inventati.org> <87ed3nyxro.fsf@gmail.com> <87ed3n3wm6.fsf@inventati.org> <87y11vf3ju.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 17:20:01 +0100 Message-ID: <87wmhfyq1a.fsf@inventati.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=93.190.126.19; envelope-from=csantosb@inventati.org; helo=confino.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 14:50:37 -0500 X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.66 X-Spam-Score: -2.66 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3FD287D247 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: iJeWJIsvlBgw Message-ID: <20241107162001.7G0FEX40lPcSGeyOpUBVZLd7JNAz4Xd4cMNW06YfEbY@z> >jeu. 07 nov. 2024 at 10:48, Suhail Singh wrote: > Cayetano Santos writes: > >>>> To note that this is a completely different beast compared to previous >>>> package (repo, version and mantainer). >>> >>> Yes. Please let me know in case the commit message needs to be revised >>> (it already does note that we are changing the referenced fork). The >>> previous fork hasn't been updated in a couple of years and had a number >>> of bugs that have since been resolved in the updated fork. >> >> To me, the open question goes well beyond this package. >> >> Does guix package forks of code from a couple of years ago, without an >> explicit acknowledgement between maintainers ? > > The maintainer has not been active on their own mailing list > () for a while despite > repeated discussions about outstanding issues ([1], [2]). I believe it > would be fair to characterize the original package as having been > abandoned. > > I'm CC-ing Xinglu Chen (the original author) to this email for > transparency. > >> Additionally, this is a second generation fork ... > > I am not sure I understand what you mean by "second generation" in this > regard. Could you please elaborate? > > If you're referring to the fact that it used another contributor's > (Mekeor) fork as a starting point, then for context please note that the > decision to treat my fork as "upstream" was in discussion with them > (since Mekeor's no longer actively using the package). > > I'm CC-ing Mekeor to this message for transparency. Yes, this is what I refer to. >> I=E2=80=99d say, better bring the question to guix-devel, as this has la= rge >> implications. There must be a policy already around this point. > > I'm CC-ing guix-devel. Thanks ! I=E2=80=99m just curious about whether guix has a policy concerning this ki= nd of situation, before reviewing your patch (#74231), as there might have consequences in the most general case. Namely, it is the case of patching a package definition, redirecting its source url to a fork by the patch=E2=80=99s author. Is that acceptable or a risk ? Is it up to the committer to evaluate, once being warned ? Something more explicit ? C.