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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1650081139; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=6ctTadSiGBJJTDPz8FvzwHOWXyOUxw69QXZfCHcnQ5A=; b=qfk4L0PYnGWt1V9LY/JtwGGSNNxBPp0O4BG2TRqZaTcAEB165tdHi66sAOyAB5g+O93zgi ftOQh5XN+/tX0CnY3dWzmSO630INyRaia5FFw1V0+dkBOHx4Huk/CNA7agyCL2k//oH1Sv xVpcT2OsWAx28YgZAseH+ulyrWXdAVGdbE65T4e+a4HTFHaRaLBGlPyANIJO2v1QdVxFom PC9aB48fArjvxgI8XZOaiwu11eK1d1mCpUAC9If0yP3FIQ1stIp1YzUjrfeFSzQeoAbWyC sgZNcpss8CuzJuIxYgCkICAYVNcxnNzYxzhnEPQWLIfyKZeMSDrmfhSUzpIVeA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1650081139; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TGoupgUfd3hUlZPN9L5Y+uKFJKqf+Bx7zgO1Ve12f4u87QR7pXMJDiE+mtnvlmYKED08f0 4Ca6+W8/x/LvIEdYcxsrkHjN8veXUIH0OTyiF1dRv0XpDped+Sz99foLsymBkB1eQTi6HF +D5Sj1qQ/wS0bJiUzysqzbFZ1fIGLFme4OiLnTNEySCTfVfmQh2sVxKy0DcV8ARKqmNB/7 EIVJAgNmeM/uJ7gNV5aF761aTlCjbKI1yx+aniOMSOGlef60VZXLwj/6ToyrAXaFcyptq2 apnpwEs7xn3PYTU4hDBbN26xLXxDRYpxBaaJt3GXais0smZ0zHByZotx4Gkzrw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=poOgRkfU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.04 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=poOgRkfU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B354A15C41 X-Spam-Score: -7.04 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: zNtaGOqD6DHd On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:36:25 -0500 Nathan Dehnel wrote: > >People shouldn't have to take extra steps and burn extra CPU cycles > >for > security. If I have to recompile everything to harden my system, I > likely won't bother. > >Pretty much everyone benefits from hardening, but not everyone has > >the > resources and know how to do it manually. Just choosing what to harden > is already not a trivial question. > > Then have hardened be the default and have --hardened=off be the > package transform option? Yes, that seems like a better solution. Maybe call it --without-hardening, to match the current convention. (Like --with-latest, --without-tests, etc)