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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1650040247; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=TxcaZbPGdahzAhKF2VMWJhGcY0zv8rHvnEEnjOC+iRA=; b=e4J+Fkq87R/914A/aPHvrnRbTCWj82J9Jl3r5K+tJnAz3PGbwAR4r4RcqT5A6Uz7OOvHMu 3AY6I5AMswpwW9DHljsSejxf5jjHtTm6MCqVGVmGVS/h8lVMoXN6bJOlp1lnnQhPkB2OR6 lLOPFxALqgfLACgSXZ9impDfOdpLzX0KAx/blmsUuNf+5s0eKtj7FTqiYhaRg+vqO2aMl8 CtOmNaBCkZBhEqK7phQOTlmpN3S3OHHTIVFZRm7BV/cJcNVzlt6IUCHkmYm0r3+9l34mOQ NM0che6qYFjODIEeqToaZutbqjGEzSjD92Jorlbc9/NTQTZm88bbrHw+aeFW6A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1650040247; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=IObOi+GDZmMs2kFSYnLkEII/50PGaHtLIoGskUmxS5DuzMW6VXlceBiZXiMurPBdg1S6tT YJAKUCnRyvJUwNqH3MYMvmPFf2xa6hPO7Wg2MszvyT6LW8kdNCH2lFMyFv2f5STnoIn3ow 2filrRdL2zn2WaNKNBCnrwMEItBFhWxlqGZ5orRy3akoaSzJjItwvzIyREFunhn8Tmz1eJ klBGP/dtUGzApbse2/MvnUEGS8ShRTq3nzuKZndbLGua1M5bzGkkaQzEAefe9j7amM7X3g o0U7FsPPjDkXmqMmmkgVSZ/VGOvtwSQQ5k0KcpOZw6BCcgQmKZRnnlDTD5S6AQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=soUb5Qxw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=soUb5Qxw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7C4B914380 X-Spam-Score: -3.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: uxtFcGLSCJXJ On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:39:07 +0800 Zhu Zihao wrote: > Joshua Branson writes: > > > +The vision of the GNU Guix project is to replace proprietary > > software with +freedom respecting software. We hope to create a > > general purpose and +extensible operating system that works well > > accross embedded environments to +extremely powerful server setups. > > When this vision is complete (it may never +be complete, that's > > why it is a vision!) all software will be free software. > > IMO, replacing proprietary software with libre software should be the > vision of the whole GNU project. > > Maybe we can change it to "The vision of the GNU Guix project is > providing a reliable and convenient way for people to use, distribute, > develop libre software." > > Other parts LGTM :) It might be worth bikeshedding the phrasing a bit, because "freedom respecting" and "libre" only really mean something to people who are already on board with these ideas. The end goal is software that serves people, instead of controlling and coercing them. Maybe it's worth emphasizing that. (Also please fill the subject line next time, it's hard to keep track of threads when they are unlabeled.)