From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id CIv/CKNhjGAKcQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:59:31 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id GG7PBKNhjGBGHAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:59:31 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97E02D943 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34930 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcZIO-000746-C4 for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:59:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45338) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcZG4-00072v-E3 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:57:04 -0400 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([94.142.245.5]:52456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcZG0-0004wV-6D; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:57:04 -0400 Received: by mail.thebird.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C6B02BB; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:56:56 +0200 From: Pjotr Prins To: Pierre Neidhardt Subject: Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes Message-ID: <20210430195656.zonnz7hm3mihrwti@thebird.nl> References: <8735vgkttf.fsf@netris.org> <475c152f2e4bf0b566324223f2f5e3598279b87f.camel@zaclys.net> <87eeext6h4.fsf@nckx> <87lf92h0ei.fsf@gnu.org> <878s518ghz.fsf@systemreboot.net> <87zgxhl0os.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <20210429141423.qtji4lsuaox7wfdk@thebird.nl> <87fsz7isbv.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87fsz7isbv.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=94.142.245.5; envelope-from=pjotr2021@thebird.nl; helo=mail.thebird.nl X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619812770; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=TT0KR+JbS65ZYUbpoAG5V73qxiYlyznHGKCq9YKsk/0=; b=tLBQcQdZ+bihhMLH9om2EzSi2cZQE76K/lMP/2lOnL/dwzG5cgbXspMJuD3j39selfIJud h0ItBW/R1IYcUCa3Bp3w2HO9q+BwW58w5ax9UZnHcQ7qg44zWRyJMIusaAAuspDIshMiv6 A3iRFGLaiIbKFHcmbF7skUCDwDOdq0UC3U/iuu9QoHK8mvodE7qpUMrG2aC3gLBMEhlHsT KJMBycMb9iqNF9ZxF+jS/JHKlTXxSszsyD9Y0/ZhcAeS/fHZQ7DZ5xcqkLLwu6tgWpHfiv CAEAsj7+vSt4YpGqrf0dwpyNJeSvHQzxn0dhCualB6AvT6+wFBc/0MCNEd2T5g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619812770; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ttKoJNP2be2CgO0Vo3+4E4t9ObvPQfacXGTV0g/8k6Y9vu4+JlgghKwkwMV9DpuHXbv+m2 y2r7eQOvEQVQZXqrIocscG80DTfjDanlC9XEeRY5q6L0COpQQK2qT9H7O5PrnPdt6E369e EjcfFLkwqLTbzzTn/LEVcBXyTT7FZ5c7s0io1qpkxosoTYewViClOv1WkV7dGdphhEr91D Jy7kbIvL+nkkC8T4FphtNxH4qHo+KVajn2samRVF8PoCtP5FE5futFrPe0jvI2KETld7GD ftxl2cXvO5TrS1GLHVLXhLAaa0NUOTX209J0vLQ7dC7OTgskTvqnOpbgnuE03A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.46 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B97E02D943 X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: eLfuxBNtozHM On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 07:40:36PM +0200, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > I trust that it is the case, but being the devil's advocate, I could > argue that from reading this thread does not make it obvious. Maybe the > decision process should be made more transparent? Let's not make this a big thing. I am not a core committer - don't want to be one. What I know is that commit rights are given to people who are expected to play by the rules of the project. Is that hard to understand? When someone does not play by the rules and is unapologetic - and it happens multiple times - it is completely justified to take away those rights. Being a core committer is *not* a badge of honour. It does not give special privileges beyond what is expected. It does not give you money, a degree or a knighthood. It only allows you to push code directly where it interferes with the work of others :) Everyone will be *happy* to give the commit rights again, provided the person plays by the rules. Pj.