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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution , Ryan Prior Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=O9Hazn1l; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: gAxp52+e2j2b Dnia 2020-11-12, o godz. 10:20:10 Pierre Neidhardt napisa=C5=82(a): > Ryan Prior writes: >=20 > > On November 11, 2020, Jan Wielkiewicz > > wrote: > >> [web browsers are] a really poorly designed copy of > >> operating systems and its utilities. > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> I just don't understand why in the web browser. > >> I'll try it. > > > > The web browser is the primary operating environment for a lot of > > people. Just as Emacs users built web browsers, terminal emulators, > > and mail clients on the Emacs platform, the web platform also has > > all those things (including various elaborate in-browser code > > editors.) So I understand this as having the exact same genesis as > > the Guix interface in Emacs: people would like to manage their > > operating system using the interface they spend most of their time > > in, and for Nyxt power users that would be their browser. I'm not > > at all interested in managing my Guix packages using Nyxt, which is > > highly correlated to my not being a Nyxt power user. >=20 > Exactly :) I see. > To add to what Ryan said, Nyxt has a interesting design feature: it > does not need to depend on a web browser! =20 If this is the case, then I have nothing against it. I just don't like when programs depend on things they don't need to, like a calculator app written in with 500MB of dependencies in node_modules and Chromium. This isn't a joke, this is the reality we're living in. > Nyxt is rather a=20 > "Common Lisp interactive framework" and it would be perfectly possible > to implement a textual interface =C3=A0-la Emacs. Of course, web page > rendering would be much more limited though. >=20 > I'd like to work on a pure GTK (or ) > version of Nyxt at some point. >=20 Nice.