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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=BRweJ56B; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=fUZU+dju; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.31 X-TUID: tmfsk2m2tIB9 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 05:01:07PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > If there are concrete problems to report or changes to request, please > let us know by opening a bug ticket at , or by sending > a patch to . I'd like to explain more clearly what I meant by my last message. First, it's important to remember that we share a common goal: the creation of freely licensed computing systems. The people involved in the Guix and linux-libre projects have worked hard for years towards this goal =E2=80=94 most of us as volunteers. For many of us, it's natural to identify with our work, and when people suggest changes or offer criticism that we think is incorrect or misses the mark somehow, it's also natural to have negative feelings in response. But, we must remember that the other party may not understand the context of their suggestion deeply enough to know why it should not be implemented. There are technical *and* social contexts at play, and they are rarely understood until one has been working on the project for quite a while. 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