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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: 0.49 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=Yu5eMB+e; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 2001:470:142::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [0.49 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.49381385573731]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:142::/48:c]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; DWL_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:server fail]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.14), country: US(-0.00), ip: 2001:470:142::17(-0.49)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:-]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:server fail]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:2001:470:142::/48, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tona_kosmicznego_smiecia@interia.pl,guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[interia.pl:email,ambrevar.xyz:email,jami.net:url]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[interia.pl]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[89.64.43.193:received]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: 0NevasEp+gCB On Sun, 03 May 2020 17:26:33 +0200 Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > Jan writes: > > > Calls over WAN are always tricky, I had little luck with that even > > with the official Jami binary packages. With some friends > > everything works 100%, with other nothing works. I guess that's > > because of outdated proprietary router/modem firmware and hostility > > towards p2p. Try disabling firewall on your router (yeah I know, > > sounds bad). > > Sadly I can't do that on my friends routers :( > As long as this issue persists, this makes Jami not so useful as a > communication tool. > You can also set up/use existing TURN server. There was a blog post about it: https://jami.net/establishing-peer-to-peer-connections-with-jami/ Would be cool if someone added to Jami something like GNUnet or Tor support - using peers you can connect to as relays. Eventually you can buy your friends a better router with sane configuration for birthday or burn ISPs to the ground and create user controlled mesh network :) Jan Wielkiewicz