* Re: Hyperlinks!
2020-04-13 10:58 Hyperlinks! Ludovic Courtès
@ 2020-04-13 11:13 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-04-14 12:19 ` Hyperlinks! Konrad Hinsen
2020-04-13 11:26 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
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From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-04-13 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès, guix-devel
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Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> I’d like to extend it to include references to the Guile manual, so that
> one could click on, say, ‘append’, but there might be too many false
> positives at that point. And then we would need DrRacket fanciness to
> be able to determine what an identifier really refers to…
Perfect time for Rix, Guix in Racket! Haha! :D
--
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/
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From: Konrad Hinsen @ 2020-04-14 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
On 13/04/2020 13:13, Pierre Neidhardt wrote:
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I’d like to extend it to include references to the Guile manual, so that
>> one could click on, say, ‘append’, but there might be too many false
>> positives at that point. And then we would need DrRacket fanciness to
>> be able to determine what an identifier really refers to…
> Perfect time for Rix, Guix in Racket! Haha! :D
Easy. "Just" implement #lang guile in Racket ;-)
Cheers,
Konrad.
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* Re: Hyperlinks!
2020-04-13 10:58 Hyperlinks! Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-13 11:13 ` Hyperlinks! Pierre Neidhardt
@ 2020-04-13 11:26 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2020-04-13 15:10 ` Hyperlinks! Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-13 18:09 ` Hyperlinks! Ricardo Wurmus
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From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2020-04-13 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel
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Hi Ludo,
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:58:42 +0200
Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<style>
a.syntax-symbol {
color: red;
}
a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
background-color: blue;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<p><a href="http://www.a.com/">without class</a></p>
<p><a class="syntax-symbol" href="http://www.b.com/">with class</a></p>
</body>
</html>
> Feedback welcome!
Very cool!
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2020-04-13 15:25 ` Hyperlinks! Julien Lepiller
2020-04-13 18:09 ` Hyperlinks! Ricardo Wurmus
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From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2020-04-13 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: guix-devel
Hi,
Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:
> a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
> background-color: blue;
> }
Nice! It works, but I’d have to spread “not(.syntax-symbol)” in CSS
files that shouldn’t know about ‘syntax-symbol’ in the first place.
Is there a way to somehow have an ‘a.syntax-symbol’ rule take precedence
over other ‘a’ rules?
Thanks,
Ludo’.
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@ 2020-04-13 15:25 ` Julien Lepiller
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From: Julien Lepiller @ 2020-04-13 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Le 13 avril 2020 11:10:32 GMT-04:00, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org> a écrit :
>Hi,
>
>Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:
>
>> a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
>> background-color: blue;
>> }
>
>Nice! It works, but I’d have to spread “not(.syntax-symbol)” in CSS
>files that shouldn’t know about ‘syntax-symbol’ in the first place.
>
>Is there a way to somehow have an ‘a.syntax-symbol’ rule take
>precedence
>over other ‘a’ rules?
>
>Thanks,
>Ludo’.
The a.syntax-symbol is more specific that the a rule, so it already takes precedence. You can use this to reset a value:
a {
backgraound-color: blue;
}
a.syntak-symbol {
background-color: inherit /*or none*/ ;
}
Of course some a tags might be styled with more specific rules, so you have to make sure your rule is evn more specific. Alternatively use !important, which is considered bad practice.
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* Re: Hyperlinks!
2020-04-13 11:26 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
2020-04-13 15:10 ` Hyperlinks! Ludovic Courtès
@ 2020-04-13 18:09 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-04-13 18:38 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
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From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2020-04-13 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes:
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:58:42 +0200
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
>> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
[…]
> a.syntax-symbol {
> color: red;
> }
> a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
> background-color: blue;
> }
The first definition would suffice if it came after any style definition
for just “a”.
If this doesn’t work it would be because a more specific rule exists
(e.g. “.example div.foo span.bar a”); in that case you just need to
define a *more* specific style rule.
--
Ricardo
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2020-04-13 18:09 ` Hyperlinks! Ricardo Wurmus
@ 2020-04-13 18:38 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2020-04-13 21:05 ` Hyperlinks! Ricardo Wurmus
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From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2020-04-13 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: guix-devel
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Hi Ricardo,
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:09:26 +0200
Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
> Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:58:42 +0200
> > Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> >> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
> >> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
> […]
> > a.syntax-symbol {
> > color: red;
> > }
> > a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
> > background-color: blue;
> > }
>
> The first definition would suffice if it came after any style definition
> for just “a”.
Yeah, but the behavior would be different.
I thought Ludo meant that he wanted the rules for just "a" not to apply to
"a.syntax-symbol". With your version the rules for just "a" and the ones
for "a.syntax-symbol" would totally both apply to "a.syntax-symbol"s.
In my version, the "with class" text doesn't have a blue background.
In yours, it would have.
(I'd agree that it's often overkill)
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2020-04-13 18:38 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
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2020-04-13 21:15 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
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From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2020-04-13 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: guix-devel
Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes:
> Hi Ricardo,
>
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:09:26 +0200
> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
>
>> Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:58:42 +0200
>> > Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
>> >> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
>> […]
>> > a.syntax-symbol {
>> > color: red;
>> > }
>> > a:not(.syntax-symbol) {
>> > background-color: blue;
>> > }
>>
>> The first definition would suffice if it came after any style definition
>> for just “a”.
>
> Yeah, but the behavior would be different.
>
> I thought Ludo meant that he wanted the rules for just "a" not to apply to
> "a.syntax-symbol". With your version the rules for just "a" and the ones
> for "a.syntax-symbol" would totally both apply to "a.syntax-symbol"s.
>
> In my version, the "with class" text doesn't have a blue background.
> In yours, it would have.
>
> (I'd agree that it's often overkill)
Oh, thanks for the clarification. I must have misunderstood Ludo’s request.
--
Ricardo
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* Re: Hyperlinks!
2020-04-13 10:58 Hyperlinks! Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-13 11:13 ` Hyperlinks! Pierre Neidhardt
2020-04-13 11:26 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
@ 2020-04-13 11:51 ` Vincent Legoll
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From: Vincent Legoll @ 2020-04-13 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Hello,
On 13/04/2020 12:58, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Scheme code snippets in the on-line manual now have hyperlinks for all
> the symbols documented in the manual:
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html
Wow, awesome !
I had in my todo list to create an issue about that subject.
> Hyperlinks are such an amazing invention!
Yes, definitely !
> I’d like to extend it to include references to the Guile manual, so that
> one could click on, say, ‘append’, but there might be too many false
> positives at that point. And then we would need DrRacket fanciness to
> be able to determine what an identifier really refers to…
Yes that would be very nice from a guix / guile / scheme newbie
PoV, even if not perfect.
Thanks a lot !
--
Vincent Legoll
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From: Vincent Legoll @ 2020-04-13 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
1st bug report ? :P
OK, not strictly a bug report since it's on the
wrong ML...
on the page:
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
The %base-packages is not cross-referenced,
whereas all the other %base-* are.
Should I create an issue for it ?
--
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From: Vincent Legoll @ 2020-04-13 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
I see there are "#index${SOMETHING}" url suffixes,
What about adding anchors like on:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#eval
when you mouse-over the function name line, a
"permalink to this definition" appears.
I often want to give pointers to specific parts of the
doc, and did not know about the #index thing (or
maybe it is just being introduced). I think a visual
thing like in the python doc would be nice to add...
Should I create an issue about this ?
--
Vincent Legoll
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2020-04-13 12:05 ` Hyperlinks! Vincent Legoll
@ 2020-04-13 13:56 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-13 14:41 ` Hyperlinks! Danny Milosavljevic
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From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2020-04-13 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vincent Legoll; +Cc: guix-devel
Vincent Legoll <vincent.legoll@gmail.com> skribis:
> I see there are "#index${SOMETHING}" url suffixes,
>
> What about adding anchors like on:
>
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#eval
There are already anchors, but they look like #index-procedure.
> when you mouse-over the function name line, a
> "permalink to this definition" appears.
I’m not sure how to do that. Isn’t there some JavaScript involved?
> I often want to give pointers to specific parts of the
> doc, and did not know about the #index thing (or
> maybe it is just being introduced). I think a visual
> thing like in the python doc would be nice to add...
>
> Should I create an issue about this ?
Sure, if you want.
The bottom line is that this is all very much a hack: we’re
post-processing generated HTML that we have no control over.
Longer-term, it would be nicer to use Guile’s stexi modules all along
with tight control over the generated HTML.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
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From: Christopher Baines @ 2020-04-13 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> Hello Guix!
>
> Scheme code snippets in the on-line manual now have hyperlinks for all
> the symbols documented in the manual:
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html
>
> Hyperlinks are such an amazing invention!
This is indeed amazing!
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From: sirgazil @ 2020-04-13 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: "Ludovic Courtès"; +Cc: guix-devel
---- On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:58:42 +0000 Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote ----
> Hello Guix!
>
> Scheme code snippets in the on-line manual now have hyperlinks for all
> the symbols documented in the manual:
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html
>
> Hyperlinks are such an amazing invention!
That's great.
> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
I think to style links you should be using the pseudo classes like ":link", ":hover", ":visited", etc. So, for example:
a.syntax-symbol:link {
color: black;
}
If I understand correctly, that should work.
> This is happening in ‘doc/build.scm’ as a post-processing step on the
> makeinfo-generated HTML (along with the syntax-highlighting
> post-processing step). It works well but there can be false positives
> because it matches on identifiers, without taking scope etc. into
> account—e.g., anytime “service” appears, it’ll link to the ‘service’
> procedure.
I still don't understand why Texinfo doesn't provide syntax for allowing the HTML exporter to do that... Something like a @codeblock that accepts a language argument...
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2020-04-14 8:27 ` Hyperlinks! pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
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From: Bengt Richter @ 2020-04-14 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel
Hi Ludo,
On +2020-04-13 12:58:42 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hello Guix!
>
> Scheme code snippets in the on-line manual now have hyperlinks for all
> the symbols documented in the manual:
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html
>
> Hyperlinks are such an amazing invention!
>
> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
>
> This is happening in ‘doc/build.scm’ as a post-processing step on the
> makeinfo-generated HTML (along with the syntax-highlighting
> post-processing step). It works well but there can be false positives
> because it matches on identifiers, without taking scope etc. into
> account—e.g., anytime “service” appears, it’ll link to the ‘service’
> procedure.
>
> I’d like to extend it to include references to the Guile manual, so that
> one could click on, say, ‘append’, but there might be too many false
> positives at that point. And then we would need DrRacket fanciness to
> be able to determine what an identifier really refers to…
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> Ludo’.
>
I think it important to have a very up-to-date version of docs
that can be downloaded like the single-page html doc alternatives
usually offered on gnu.org, for off-line use, and not have it too dependent
on secondary external links. (Or people might be tempted to
wget [options intentionally absent ;-] <an index page> to get more
to read off-line ;-).
Is https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/guix.html in really good sync with
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=guix.git;a=blob;f=doc/guix.texi;h=891e2693f66672fc309b510ee2a5a4d5dd737db0;hb=8c04471f2403f05bcbea740e3722030e2b8311ec
(what's the easiest way to check? firefox page-info for
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/guix.html says
Modified: January 1, 1970, 1:00:01 AM GMT+1 ;-)
I like being able to do a git pull to get an updated version of a project
so I can trust it represents the latest official output from there.
But I like to read about a new project before I download the whole thing.
I prefer what I can believe is the latest official docs, not years-old web search results.
So I'll look for a git repo that I can browse for docs, preferring nicely hyperlinked ones.
I apppreciate not having to work to get tex or texi converted (as mostly happens
with package installs), but what if I (or a non-guix-user) just want to have the latest docs
without downloading the rest (or disturbing a current state), to read offline?
I think for that, pre-built single-page html should be available, please :)
If the latest is not easily available, people are likely to encounter guix on old
review pages or by following links from old stuff to old stuff, and may conclude
that guix is not even near ready for prime-time.
I think up-to-date wikipedia links are important, as people may go there out of interest
sparked elsewhere, to get up-to-date info on guix.
Is updating wikipedia part of guix documentation work-flow?
My 2¢ ;-)
--
Regards,
Bengt Richter
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From: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) @ 2020-04-14 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bengt Richter; +Cc: guix-devel
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 09:09:24AM +0200, Bengt Richter wrote:
> I think it important to have a very up-to-date version of docs
> that can be downloaded like the single-page html doc alternatives
> usually offered on gnu.org, for off-line use, and not have it too dependent
> on secondary external links. (Or people might be tempted to
> wget [options intentionally absent ;-] <an index page> to get more
> to read off-line ;-).
>
https://guix.gnu.org/manual-devel/
currently contains new stuff like the earlyoom service , while
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/
does not. I do not know what the plan for these is though.
Regards,
Florian
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From: Christopher Lemmer Webber @ 2020-04-14 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
This is very nice. The rainbow parenthesis matching is really excellent
too.
Guix has managed to make Texinfo html export look really nice! I admit
I expressed skepticism in this endeavour a number of years back and am
happy to be incorrect.
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hello Guix!
>
> Scheme code snippets in the on-line manual now have hyperlinks for all
> the symbols documented in the manual:
>
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Using-the-Configuration-System.html
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html
>
> Hyperlinks are such an amazing invention!
>
> (If anyone knows how to get ‘a.syntax-symbol’ CSS different from just
> ‘a’, I’m all ears!)
>
> This is happening in ‘doc/build.scm’ as a post-processing step on the
> makeinfo-generated HTML (along with the syntax-highlighting
> post-processing step). It works well but there can be false positives
> because it matches on identifiers, without taking scope etc. into
> account—e.g., anytime “service” appears, it’ll link to the ‘service’
> procedure.
>
> I’d like to extend it to include references to the Guile manual, so that
> one could click on, say, ‘append’, but there might be too many false
> positives at that point. And then we would need DrRacket fanciness to
> be able to determine what an identifier really refers to…
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> Ludo’.
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