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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com>
Cc: Guix-devel@gnu.org, gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org
Subject: Re: (Really) Free Software future
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:30:31 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191016060031.GM7026@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e316ae4731693745a5919bfa453cb585cbc41cc0.camel@gmail.com>

* Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com> [2019-10-16 02:23]:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 22:41 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > 
> > If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in.  But it
> > isn't _vendor_ lock-in.  systemD, like most free software packages,
> > is not tied to any particular vendor.  Indeed, the usual concept of
> > vendor for free software is not applicable to free software at all.
> 
> Sorry Richard, but it is really a vendor lock-in. As you know there is
> only one _upstream_ of systemd and that upstream is a company. Systemd
> software is developed by that company, and as you also know is that
> contributions, patches and bug reports coming from outside that company
> are frown upon. People reporting issues are even met with hostility.

systemd binaries are dependent on systemd and replaces programs that
did not have such dependencies. It is creating similar situation as
vendor lock-in is creating.

Some references:

- https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/

- http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html

- https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/

- https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/systemd-it-keeps-getting-worse/
  where it says: "One of systemd’s main goals is to unify basic Linux
  configurations and service behaviors across all distributions."

There is my personal protest against the systemd's LGPL license. It is
service manager and not a special library that shall sacrifice freedom
in special cases.

Issue with the LGPL license is that me personally, for GNU system, I
would prefer GPL only license and not LGPL allowing proprietary
software into free software system distributions.

systemd does create control of few developers of systemd and vendors
of various GNU/Linux operating systems over its users.

systemd does create situation as "programmers controlling computing"
and not "users having freedom in their own computer".

That GNOME requires systemd is sad situation, it shall be independnet
of service manager.

Jean

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-16  6:00 UTC|newest]

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2019-10-10  2:37   ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis
2019-10-10 11:39     ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 12:14       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 12:14       ` Jean Louis
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2019-10-10 12:39         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 12:39         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
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2019-10-10 17:48           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 17:48           ` Jean Louis
     [not found]           ` <32731221-C09D-4E6B-8642-1600A5D56E64@gnu.support>
2019-10-10 20:29             ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-10 21:02               ` Jean Louis
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2019-10-12  9:19                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 13:05                         ` Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
2019-10-13 23:43                           ` Alexandre François Garreau
2019-10-14  6:53                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-14  7:46                             ` Reminder to keep posts on topic Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-14 15:17                               ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-14 16:14                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 16:18       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 16:44     ` ng0
2019-10-10 22:23       ` Reminder to remain civil Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12  4:19         ` Jens Mølgaard
2019-10-12  8:32           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-13 19:54             ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-13 20:07               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-13 20:18                 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-14  7:41                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-14 18:26                     ` quiliro
2019-10-14 19:52                       ` Tonton
2019-10-15  0:01                         ` ison
2019-10-15  2:27                           ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-15  3:08                         ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-15  4:44                     ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11 15:14       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Ruben Safir
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2019-10-14 10:07                 ` (Really) Free Software future Was: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, Svante Signell
2019-10-14 15:26                   ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 16:13                   ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 16:52                     ` (Really) Free Software future Svante Signell
2019-10-14 18:16                       ` Paul Smith
2019-10-14 18:32                         ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 18:59                           ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-14 19:18                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:35                             ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-14 20:49                               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-19 23:00                                 ` (Really) Free Software future in the light of systemd Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-21 17:58                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-12-15  3:23                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 19:11                           ` (Really) Free Software future Paul Smith
2019-10-14 19:22                             ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 19:11                         ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15  2:41                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 19:56                             ` Svante Signell
2019-10-15 20:31                               ` marinus.savoritias
2019-10-15 21:00                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16  6:00                               ` Jean Louis [this message]
2019-10-16 18:40                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-16 18:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-18  3:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 18:42                       ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-15  9:07                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
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2019-10-12 11:37       ` Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Jean Louis

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