From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ison Subject: Re: Reminder to remain civil Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:01:42 -0600 Message-ID: <20191015000141.2wc3vkxoptx5yk5t@n1> References: <20191010164403.rueixfpsv3duntwz@uptimegirl> <87h84gi6ja.fsf@elephly.net> <87zhi61tq7.fsf@zete.tk> <87wodagy9q.fsf@elephly.net> <3cd972f08625dde233dcfe4c7e9791f8@riseup.net> <87wod8l89n.fsf@elephly.net> <485896379123a5160bb1b4115465ca1d@riseup.net> <87v9srlqok.fsf@elephly.net> <20191014215242.25e5c378@merlin.browniehive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53892) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iKAHh-00008l-Ck for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:01:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKAHf-0001mH-Vh for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:01:52 -0400 Received: from cock.li ([2a06:1700:0:b::c0cc]:54872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKAHf-0001db-EP for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:01:51 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191014215242.25e5c378@merlin.browniehive.net> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" To: Tonton Cc: help-guix@gnu.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, Tonton wrote: > Quiliro, this is not about censorship. No one is taking away your right= to > express yourself. This channel however is not public, even though it co= mes > close. This channel also has a set topic. >=20 > This is just another drop in the ocean. No one will fix anything while = the > storm is raging. >=20 > I think I can see where your anger stems from, it could be positive to > have somewhere to talk about the issues that have surfaced over the las= t week > or so, in addition to other similar things that come forth now and agai= n. >=20 > At the same time I've been watching the list and seeing the behaviour f= rom > some of the participants in these discussions makes me doubt if it woul= d > bring anything other than more hatred and aggression. And that makes me > grieve. >=20 > I hope you stop this fight, your energy is much needed elsewhere. Guix = needs > our cooperation and willingness to work together despite differences of > opinion. > --=20 > :) >=20 I think the point he's making is that politics was already introduced by = the article on the official Guix blog, and that it seems somewhat hostile to = be able to post politics on the official site and then say nobody can discus= s it on the mailing list. He isn't the one who introduced politics to the Guix community. The found= er did that, and the current state of things is really just what should have= been expected by them from the very beginning: political arguing. I think it's unreasonable for anyone to expect that you can publish artic= les like that without any backlash. It just can't happen. Are we going to see more petitions posted on the official Guix site in th= e future? Which topics are ok and which ones are going too far? Can anyone get a petition posted on the Guix site if they have 20+ signer= s? Or does that only happen if Ludovic Court=E8s agrees with it?